Discussion in 'OgreBot' started by blammo, Apr 11, 2016.

  1. blammo

    blammo Member

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    Guys, I need some help. .I'm doing everything I know, and I'm coming up short on DPS.

    Regular Group: (ZW in heroic zone)
    Fighter (4-10M)
    Cleric: (>2M healing, 2-3M DPS)
    Myst or Swash (2-3M) or (10-15M)
    Enchanter (10-15M)
    Bard (10-15M)
    Mage or Predator (10-15M)

    -- all 5 purples done (obol/truespirit)
    - all green adorns maxed
    - all white adorns done
    - all invigorated heroic armor or better
    - all have I/II good cloaks
    - all have at least 1 piece of 'barrage' jewelery
    - healers have at least 1 "shroud of the sea' piece
    - all have amplifying pieces on
    - all weapons mod'd for class specific damage (magic, poison, heat, etc)
    - all classes sitting at around 2k potency at idle, push over 3k in combat.
    - average non-tank health - 2M
    - average resists - 210k
    - all mages are at 100% DC
    - all scouts are at 100% flurry 100% AE auto
    - fighters are at 100% AE auto
    - zero access to ToT x4 raid gear
    - AA profiles copied from T1 raiders for most toons
    - ogre cast stacks moderately tuned from stock

    This adds up to somewhere between 35M-60M DPS depending on the zone, fights etc. We can clear any of the heroic zones EXCEPT Master's Chosen. in MC we can survive any of the fights that have a timer until the 10 minute mark when the mob gets tired of fighting and kills the group.

    Based on what I read, Servitor takes about 120-150M to beat inside 10M. /LFG this weekend was looking for DPS for MC, 40M sustained minimum.

    What am I missing? how in the world are people sustaining that kind of DPS from a single toon, much less getting to 150M dps from their groups?
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2016
  2. rawfle

    rawfle Active Member

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  3. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    See some of the above in Red.

    I'd reccomend doing an epic immortal dummy in the GH for 10 mins, and posting the ACT screenshot of inc damage on it. Should help to give an indicate to some degree of DPS.
  4. appleuser

    appleuser Well-Known Member

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    OK, full disclosure, I think I am a very average Ogrebotter :) I do nothing like the dps I see posted on the forums but I have given up worrying about it as I can kill everything I want to!

    You don't need to do anywhere near that dps on Servitor. I just killed him as a test for you, and this was my dps

    (05:44) Servitor of Yothshaval: 99207355 Ranger-Exploit Weakness-103516146
    Ranger | 39876993
    Dirge | 19441681
    Coercer| 14994409
    Zerk | 14421976
    Defiler | 5258558
    Inq| 5213738

    Yes, I ran two healers, not cos I need to, but cos I am too lazy to switch out my swash for the inq just for the final fight, when I do need 2 heals. Shame your swash and mystic are on the same account, as I would have suggested run with just the mystic on this fight, and pop your swash in instead of cleric, as I dropped my Inq and put a swash in to beat it initially.

    So, almost 6 mins, total gw dps of 99,207,355

    I felt like I had hit a brick wall this this mob a few months ago too, one thing I did notice was that the dirge debuffs weren't being cast, nor verdict, so I made an mcp button for this fight:

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    However, that said, your T1 does seems very low, especially if the examples you posted are from a regular heroic groupwide so you are using blues and not using singular focus.

    I'm not sure what to suggest on that, as you seem to have all the stuff covered on your toons that you should have. I do know that last expac my dps was pretty terribad, until I upgraded my CPU and got much better fps. I literally saw my dps double. What kind of framerates are you getting?
  5. Eyedea

    Eyedea Active Member

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    ZW is a bad reference for dps output. I'd recommend doing what Cheesy suggested and get a couple of parses on the training dummies. I feel like DBG has all but told you what jewellery everybody should be wearing this xpac and yet 80% of people still think ME ME ME. That's a topic of another discussion. :) Its hard to say what, beyond the obvious that Cheesy has already pointed out, is the culprit. I suspect you've also copied some AA spec from one of the TOP WW guild *insert class here* and while it should give you an idea of where to spend points, with group/gear make up it could vary quite a bit... I'd like to know which class is wearing what purple/white/war runes and what tier. Also do you run temps/scrolls/potions/food/drink...
  6. blammo

    blammo Member

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    Thanks for all the feedback so far, clarified the purple adorns & AA profiles, will look for practiced/static instead.

    As others have said, this expansion is all about +group pot/cb/etc, so i've tried to gear in that direction.

    Will run a couple of 10-minute epicTD runs tonight, will post them here.
  7. blammo

    blammo Member

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    10 minute TD run, incoming as requested:

    Pretty good over all, 72M dps

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    NAME                    STARTTIME   DURATION  DAMAGE          DAMAGE%  POWERDRAIN   ENCDPS       ENCHPS      DAMAGETAKEN     DEATHS  CRITTYPES         
    Predator               xx:xx:06 PM  09:59    14,068,927,148  31%      0         23,487,357.51  0.00        0               0       15.6%L - 4.7%F - 0.8%M
    Bard                   xx:xx:07 PM  09:58    11,452,674,284  25%      24,140,698   19,119,656.57  426.31         0             0       14.4%L - 3.6%F - 0.7%M
    Enchanter              xx:xx:07 PM  10:03    10,663,323,518  23%      134,349,283  17,801,875.66  0.00         0               0       16.8%L - 4.3%F - 1.9%M
    Fighter                xx:xx:06 PM  10:01    4,953,869,985   11%      0         8,270,233.70   61.13          0            0       15.2%L - 3.7%F - 0.7%M
    Shaman                 xx:xx:07 PM  09:59    2,319,683,526   5%    0            3,872,593.53   11,598.83      0            0       14.0%L - 4.2%F - 0.7%M
    Cleric                 xx:xx:06 PM  09:57    1,469,097,936   3%    46,420,615   2,452,584.20   1,900.77    0               0       17.0%L - 5.0%F - 1.9%M
    training dummy         xx:xx:12 PM  09:50    0             --      0            0.00           73,402,668.96  44,926,731,623  1    -                   
     

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    TYPE                        DAMAGE        ENCDPS         AVERAGE        MEDIAN    MINHIT      MAXHIT      RESIST    HITS    SWINGS  TOHIT   CRIT%  CRITTYPES               
    All                      44,926,731,623  75,002,890.86  1,862,016.00   1,125,383   13,669     59,034,489  All      24,128  24,152  99.90   91%  15.5%L - 4.3%F - 0.9%M
    Early Advantage          6,871,006,578   11,470,795.62  12,075,580.00  12,001,112  9,407,162   13,042,875  crushing  569     569     100.00  0%  -                     
    zap                      2,659,415,034   4,439,757.99   1,490,704.00   1,388,853   294,748   6,809,744   magic   1,784   1,784   100.00  100%   16.1%L - 4.3%F - 1.4%M
    Jester's Ruse              2,453,822,877   4,096,532.35   4,691,822.00   4,373,402   2,073,851   16,463,135  magic   523     523     100.00  100%   13.6%L - 4.0%F - 1.1%M
    Dagger Storm                2,293,776,040   3,829,342.30   2,852,956.00   2,609,971   1,564,443   8,357,663   piercing  804  804     100.00  100%   14.4%L - 4.6%F - 0.6%M
    pierce                    2,203,267,222   3,678,242.44   703,245.30  584,301     26,014   4,811,033   piercing  3,133   3,142   99.71   100%   14.7%L - 4.0%F - 0.6%M
    poison                    2,003,634,902   3,344,966.45   1,869,063.00   1,767,125   574,882  7,167,572   poison 1,072   1,072   100.00  100%   15.2%L - 4.9%F - 0.7%M
    disease                  1,987,648,983   3,318,278.77   1,869,849.00   1,818,131   334,699   7,012,037   disease   1,063   1,063   100.00  100%   14.2%L - 4.0%F - 0.7%M
    Victorious Concerto      1,333,715,801   2,226,570.62   4,679,705.00   5,493,797   1,434,157   7,867,020   magic     285     285     100.00  0%  -                     
    Peace of Mind              1,250,377,881   2,087,442.21   928,958.30     879,407     475,082     3,185,632   mental 1,346   1,346   100.00  100%   17.3%L - 3.7%F - 1.0%M
    crush                      1,010,895,691   1,687,638.88   732,002.70     650,136     126,636     2,781,037   crushing  1,381   1,381   100.00  100%   15.1%L - 4.1%F - 0.8%M
    Temporal Mimicry            1,008,487,341   1,683,618.27   5,634,008.00   3,438,964   674,040    59,034,489  mental 179  179     100.00  0%  -                     
    Molten Detonation          951,511,598   1,588,500.16   2,592,675.00   2,573,579   1,787,917   2,672,869   heat   367    367     100.00  0%  -                     
    Stampede                    811,899,763  1,355,425.31   1,883,758.00   1,737,226   1,010,601   5,906,072   crushing  431     431     100.00  100%   19.5%L - 5.1%F - 0.9%M
    Exploit Weakness            791,669,901  1,321,652.59   14,937,170.00  4,853,324   1,266,359   54,315,719  poison   53    53      100.00  100%   17.0%L - 5.7%F - 0.0%M
    Caustic Poison            742,912,128    1,240,253.97   5,671,085.00   5,712,671   2,312,023   8,720,509   poison   131  131     100.00  0%  -                     
    Erollisi's Heartseeker    739,860,276    1,235,159.06   1,284,480.00   1,197,919   576,408   5,008,904   piercing  576   576     100.00  100%   16.5%L - 4.3%F - 1.0%M
    Theorems                    701,482,905  1,171,089.99   2,598,085.00   2,383,277   1,843,380   7,102,257   mental   270  270     100.00  100%   19.3%L - 5.9%F - 1.1%M
    Psychic Trauma            700,226,319    1,168,992.19   3,272,086.00   2,855,293   1,947,969   9,243,267   mental   214  214     100.00  100%   20.1%L - 6.5%F - 2.3%M
    Blazing Weaponry            666,041,007  1,111,921.55   2,250,139.00   2,093,724   1,220,860   7,951,562   heat   296    296     100.00  100%   11.8%L - 3.0%F - 1.7%M
    Unda Arcanus Spiritus      632,673,311   1,056,215.88   18,608,040.00  18,167,247  12,804,871  30,395,994  magic     34   34      100.00  100%   8.8%L - 2.9%F - 0.0%M 
    Phantasmal Shock            625,839,923  1,044,807.88   3,596,781.00   3,270,852   1,586,660   15,211,469  mental   174  174     100.00  100%   13.2%L - 4.6%F - 1.7%M
    Prismatic Shock          623,451,551     1,040,820.62   2,283,705.00   2,122,275   1,582,323   7,114,422   mental   273  273     100.00  100%   19.0%L - 4.8%F - 1.8%M
    Chromatic Shower            554,371,071  925,494.28  1,024,716.00   907,803  679,502     2,960,138   mental 541  541     100.00  100%   12.0%L - 3.5%F - 2.8%M
    Primordial Cloak of Flames  543,775,118  907,804.87  5,664,324.00   4,006,195   673,966  9,361,699   heat     96      96      100.00  0%     -                     
    Blackanvil Strike          480,328,794   801,884.46  4,070,583.00   4,101,579   3,375,004   4,101,579   divine  118  118     100.00  0%  -                     
    confound                    424,673,779  708,971.25  374,491.90  392,831     23,557   1,965,689   mental    1,134   1,149   98.69   100%   18.2%L - 5.0%F - 0.5%M
    Evade                      405,702,280   677,299.30  3,938,857.00   3,622,052   2,056,443   12,476,530  piercing  103    103     100.00  100%   17.5%L - 2.9%F - 1.0%M
    Past's Vengeance            401,079,172  669,581.26  588,092.60  560,092     347,094     1,837,747   magic   682     682     100.00  100%   15.4%L - 3.7%F - 0.6%M
    Strike of Faith          343,143,585     572,860.74  1,114,103.00   1,020,603   453,453  3,791,796   divine 308  308     100.00  100%   14.0%L - 7.1%F - 1.3%M
    Bloody Reminder          324,208,721     541,249.95  1,013,152.00   999,893  377,431     2,541,136   poison 320  320     100.00  100%   18.1%L - 6.3%F - 0.0%M
    Fatal Combination          320,597,359   535,220.97  11,449,910.00  11,855,932  4,949,346   23,566,207  poison  28    28      100.00  100%   17.9%L - 3.6%F - 0.0%M
    Precise Note                306,634,687  511,911.00  723,195.00  690,379     410,607     2,197,891   mental 424  424     100.00  100%   16.0%L - 4.2%F - 1.4%M
    Discombobulate VI          303,402,897   506,515.69  3,034,029.00   3,057,149   2,094,624   3,057,149   mental  100  100     100.00  0%  -                     
    Makeshift Arrow          302,690,488     505,326.36  934,229.90  906,690     349,340     2,890,221   piercing  324   324     100.00  100%   16.0%L - 2.5%F - 1.2%M
    Perfect Shrill            290,103,808    484,313.54  4,463,136.00   4,171,059   2,842,089   11,645,345  mental  65    65      100.00  100%   10.8%L - 4.6%F - 1.5%M
    Headache                    273,029,445  455,808.76  4,550,491.00   4,383,039   1,667,463   12,420,443  mental  60    60      100.00  100%   16.7%L - 5.0%F - 1.7%M
    Dynamism                    254,035,708  424,099.68  930,533.80  871,982     400,290     2,779,484   mental 273  273     100.00  100%   16.5%L - 2.6%F - 1.1%M
    Speechless                230,137,940    384,203.57  2,739,737.00   2,688,693   1,429,530   5,549,308   mental  84    84      100.00  100%   14.3%L - 1.2%F - 0.0%M
    Color Shower                218,431,397  364,660.10  5,200,748.00   4,826,345   1,746,123   13,046,138  mental  42    42      100.00  100%   9.5%L - 4.8%F - 2.4%M 
    Mock                        211,359,869  352,854.54  1,625,845.00   1,580,569   1,016,524   3,572,270   crushing  130    130     100.00  100%   10.0%L - 2.3%F - 0.0%M
    Dissonant Note            209,831,496    350,303.00  587,763.30  553,174     247,058     1,789,611   mental 357  357     100.00  100%   14.8%L - 3.6%F - 1.7%M
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  8. blammo

    blammo Member

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    Thanks for the suggestions. I'm running what I hope is complete overkill for machine.

    2 x X5690 @ 3.46ghz - 12C/24T
    48G ram
    Nvidia 970GTX
    isx/eq2/etc set for single thread, 30fps in client (not ixboxer) cap.
    each window shows 30FPS during the training dummy fight.

    purple:
    all classes : obol/truespirits
    healers : ^^ + stun/stifle/empcypher
    mages : obol/TS/detaunt/empcypher/32% pot
    scouts : obol/TS/detaunt/MA/flurry

    food/drink:
    5/6H class-specific
    not running any temps/builders/scolls/potions

    I appreciate any suggestions for tuning, but nobody seems to want to share good profiles.. the few that exist on the OgreForums are AoM, and most are missing. Anyone have a smoking ranger profile they want to share?


    Out of curiousity, what was the HPS for each healer, and total? Trying to gauge if I can single-heal this guy..
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2016
  9. blammo

    blammo Member

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    dropped shaman, added scout (who is a little bit ghetto in gear yet), hit 90M

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    NAME             STARTTIME   DURATION  DAMAGE         DAMAGE%  POWERDRAIN   ENCDPS       ENCHPS      DAMAGETAKEN     DEATHS  CRITTYPES         
    Predator         XX:XX:40 PM  09:59  15,160,268,884  28%      0         25,267,114.81  0.00        917,735       0     14.9%L - 4.2%F - 1.3%M
    Enchanter        XX:XX:40 PM  10:04  11,261,216,679  20%      131,606,819  18,768,694.47  0.00         520,294       0     18.9%L - 3.7%F - 0.9%M
    Bard             XX:XX:40 PM  10:00  11,195,749,329  20%      15,060,376   18,659,582.22  2,285.22     140,544       0     15.0%L - 4.3%F - 0.7%M
    Scout            XX:XX:40 PM  09:59  9,141,793,639   16%      0         15,236,322.73  282.12        349,628         0     13.6%L - 2.9%F - 0.4%M
    Fighter          XX:XX:40 PM  10:00  5,590,584,751   10%      0         9,317,641.25   139.33        431,789         0     14.4%L - 4.6%F - 0.8%M
    Cleric           XX:XX:40 PM  09:58  1,671,829,641   3%    34,408,273   2,786,382.74   19,749.08      330,344        0     16.0%L - 4.0%F - 1.7%M
    training dummy   XX:XX:43 PM  09:54  0             --      0            0.00           88,118,670.45  54,018,402,371  1    -                   
     
  10. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    Here is one problem then,

    Scouts - Drop Screams on your predator. Your dirge should be giving it Battle Cry. Not sure which MA adorn you have, but should have Bolstered Attributes, and something like Magnitude as well.
    Healers - Having both healers fully stun/stifle immune is overkill imo. If 1 can heal/cure, that's all you'll need. Emp Cypher is junk, drop that. See below.
    Mages - Drop Detaunt, Emp Cypher. Make sure got Bolstered Attributes, and then for chanter I'd go Screams or Magnitude, and Magnitude for Sorc.


    Personally I run similar to this;
    Tank - Bolstered x2, Rele-Conv, Obol/TS
    Dirge - Bols Att, Screams, Rele-Conv, Obol, TS
    Cleric - Foundations, Bols Att, Storm Animus, Obol/TS
    Shaman - Foundations, Stun Immune, Storm Animus, Obol/TS
    Predator - Bols Att, Magnitude, Rele Conv, Obol/TS


    Taking a look further up, you are running an Illy/Troub/Predator group? If so, betray that troub. Dirge will give you so much more over troub for a melee group.
    However, if insist on keeping setup;

    • Your ranger does not appear to have epic.
    • Illy isn't using Prismatic Chaos nearly enough.
    • Ranger isn't using it's best temp buffs by looks of it.
    • Ranger isn't using it's melee CA's nearly enough. Emberstrike/Rangers Blade should be more visible on that parse.
    • Your mimicry hits seem quite low. I'd suggest finding a way to get your ranger to request mimicry, rather than random casting. (Look up OgreAPI & Relay Cast).
    • Which ever character is using Primordial charm that does pulsing fire damage, swap it to a group buff one.

    Overall though, it looks mainly like group setup + profile issue.

    If getting really desperate, drop me a PM and I'll see about some profile sharing.
  11. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    I'd consider upping this too. If you are capping FPS, it could be causing you extra delays. Push it up to 45-50 and see if it helps.
  12. blammo

    blammo Member

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    Update: 04/27/16
    Thanks for all the feedback, implemented about as many of the changes as I could manage:

    • swapped troub for dirge
    • swapped sk for zerk
    • fixed illy cast stack
    • fixed ranger temp buffs
    • fixed ranger melee
    • removed fire charms
    • changed primary purple adorns as suggested, except left scouts at 100% AE/100% Flurry as could
    • 7/8 purple armor spots done (was done before, not noted)
    • all have at least 1 group +pot/cb item on (yoth wrist, etc)
    • all have at least 1 group +pot/cb charm item on (xoth eye, mawz skull, etc)
    • all classes sitting at around 2.5-3k potency during most fights, spike over 4k
    • raised/lowered client FPS limits, tried 20/30/40/60, above 30 didn't seem to matter.
    • reforged
    • multiple little tweaks
    • scout gear upgrades

    {{{ NEW PARSE 1 - dual healer - 81M }}}
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    NAME                    STARTTIME   DURATION  DAMAGE          DAMAGE%  POWERDRAIN   ENCDPS       ENCHPS      DAMAGETAKEN     DEATHS  CRITTYPES         
    Predator                XX:XX:30 PM  09:54   19,125,359,941  39%      0         32,143,462.09  0.00        0               0       14.6%L - 4.2%F - 1.1%M
    Enchanter               XX:XX:31 PM  09:59   10,416,589,503  21%      150,859,901  17,506,873.11  0.00         0               0       17.2%L - 4.5%F - 0.9%M
    Bard                    XX:XX:30 PM  09:54   9,125,680,887   19%      0         15,337,278.80  66.27          0            0       14.4%L - 4.0%F - 0.7%M
    Fighter                 XX:XX:29 PM  09:55   4,838,762,263   10%      0         8,132,373.55   97.08          0            0       16.2%L - 4.1%F - 1.1%M
    Shaman                  XX:XX:30 PM  09:53   2,725,550,439   5%    0            4,580,757.04   17,802.53      0            0       12.5%L - 3.8%F - 0.6%M
    Cleric                  XX:XX:29 PM  09:55   1,599,255,261   3%    15,245,366   2,687,823.97   3,758.63    0               0       15.2%L - 4.4%F - 1.1%M
    training dummy        XX:XX:37 PM  09:45     0             --      0            0.00           81,901,761.67  47,829,926,369  1    -                   
     

    {{{ NEW PARSE 2 - single healer - 101M }}}
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    NAME                    STARTTIME   DURATION  DAMAGE          DAMAGE%  POWERDRAIN   ENCDPS       ENCHPS       DAMAGETAKEN    DEATHS  CRITTYPES         
    Predator                 XX:XX:44 PM  09:55  19,252,596,099  32%      0         32,248,904.69  0.00         358,062      0     14.8%L - 4.1%F - 1.2%M
    Scout                    XX:XX:44 PM  09:56  12,860,215,807  21%      0         21,541,400.01  0.00         127,990      0     14.2%L - 3.6%F - 0.8%M
    Enchanter                XX:XX:44 PM  09:56  10,508,160,017  17%      158,796,599  17,601,608.07  0.00          0              0       15.5%L - 6.0%F - 0.8%M
    Bard                     XX:XX:43 PM  09:57  9,209,280,551   15%      0         15,425,930.57  856.98         164,618        0     14.1%L - 4.0%F - 0.7%M
    Fighter                  XX:XX:44 PM  09:56  5,185,460,658   8%    0            8,685,863.75   122.08         269,323        0     15.6%L - 3.8%F - 0.9%M
    Cleric                   XX:XX:44 PM  09:58  1,841,676,079   3%    23,461,967   3,084,884.55   23,172.71       178,177       0     15.0%L - 3.7%F - 1.5%M
    training dummy        XX:XX:49 PM  09:49     0             --      0            0.00           101,187,867.08  58,855,913,168  1       -
     

    {{{ NEW PARSE 3 - single healer - 4 "creature conjured" epicx4 mobs - 185M }}}
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    NAME                    STARTTIME   DURATION  DAMAGE          DAMAGE%  POWERDRAIN   ENCDPS       ENCHPS       DAMAGETAKEN     DEATHS  CRITTYPES        
    Predator             XX:XX:50 PM  10:19  31,850,268,411  28%      0         51,371,400.66  0.00         524,742       0    15.2%L - 4.0%F - 1.0%M
    Scout                XX:XX:51 PM  10:18  28,203,460,154  25%      0         45,489,451.86  0.00         343,078       0    14.5%L - 3.6%F - 0.7%M
    Enchanter            XX:XX:52 PM  10:15  16,911,067,988  15%      173,371,527  27,275,916.11  0.00          0               0      16.7%L - 5.3%F - 1.5%M
    Bard                 XX:XX:51 PM  10:17  15,342,104,832  13%      0         24,745,330.37  8,169.33     275,949       0    13.8%L - 3.5%F - 0.8%M
    Fighter              XX:XX:50 PM  10:20  14,696,196,018  13%      0         23,703,541.96  231,677.37     403,525,745     0    15.2%L - 3.8%F - 1.0%M
    Cleric               XX:XX:50 PM  10:20  5,049,204,798   4%    52,231,365   8,143,878.71   426,898.98     573,931         0    16.1%L - 5.0%F - 1.2%M
    Amygdalan Guardian   XX:XX:50 PM  10:20  404,513,253     --    0            652,440.73   185,345,662.35  112,051,152,669  0    -                 
     

    Appleuser, your group that dropped Servitor in 5 minutes, would you mind posting a 10M TD parse as well? TD's don't mitigate/dodge/block/avoid/etc like mobs do, and I'd love to see what 100% looks like.
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2016
  13. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    Figures looking better % wise per toon, but still very low I'd expect for the gear levels you stated.

    Next step I'd suggest is posting an image showing the breakdown of Outgoing Damage for Predator, and see if we can boost that a bit (Which in turn will boost your chanter).
  14. GamerMac

    GamerMac Member

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    • Ranger isn't using it's melee CA's nearly enough. Emberstrike/Rangers Blade should be more visible on that parse.
    • Your mimicry hits seem quite low. I'd suggest finding a way to get your ranger to request mimicry, rather than random casting. (Look up OgreAPI & Relay Cast).
    Ok.. so my question, because I am in same boat... How would one get ES/RB to hit more often, with your advice I got Daggerstorm to hit more, but these are still slow.
    Also.. I am in week 2 or 3 using ISX and Ogre so the hardest zone I have cleared is TD (BUT I only run a 5 man group Zerk/Defiler/Coe or Dirg/Swash and Rang.)... and my toons are about a month old. My biggest problem is gear.. but Yeah I can't get my Coercer to mimicry for that much either.. (Hell I can't get EW on ranger to hit for 100+ for that matter).. Could you elaborate as to what you mean by requesting Mimicry?

    And evidently I am guilty of using the Amplifying jewelry (I'm not supposed too, I thought these were good?)
    Oh.. and I haven't done the IRC yet.. cause I really am simple when it comes to this. haha..
  15. ctrcivic

    ctrcivic Active Member

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    This as well

    • Your mimicry hits seem quite low. I'd suggest finding a way to get your ranger to request mimicry, rather than random casting. (Look up OgreAPI & Relay Cast).
  16. blammo

    blammo Member

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    Here's a parse from the Predator, from Xoth the Everrending, a fairly AOE heavy fight, and he did 40M (second to the Scout at 47M)

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    TYPE                    DAMAGE       ENCDPS      AVERAGE        MEDIAN    MINHIT      MAXHIT      RESIST    HITS   SWINGS  TOHIT   CRIT%  CRITTYPES            
    All                  3,014,895,918  41,873,554.42  2,396,578.63   1,610,959   13,521      40,247,116  All      1,258  1,316   95.59   95%   16.2%L - 4.9%F - 1.3%M
    Blazing Weaponry        431,512,836 5,993,233.83   2,583,909.20   2,401,735   1,265,165   7,816,879   heat    167   167  100.00  100%   16.8%L - 7.2%F - 2.4%M
    Early Advantage      357,820,805    4,969,733.40   12,338,648.45  12,807,138  10,289,666  14,405,536  crushing  29   29   100.00  0%     -                     
    poison                305,903,321   4,248,657.24   2,066,914.33   1,853,806   798,919    9,028,145   poison 148 162  91.36   100%   13.5%L - 5.4%F - 0.7%M
    disease              300,577,693    4,174,690.18   2,058,751.32   1,873,930   862,874    7,314,643   disease   146  166  87.95   100%   22.6%L - 6.2%F - 1.4%M
    Rapid Salvo          204,948,636    2,846,508.83   9,759,458.86   9,564,808   7,116,307   15,854,722  poison    21   21   100.00  100%   23.8%L - 4.8%F - 0.0%M
    Exploit Weakness        179,980,426 2,499,728.14   16,361,856.91  3,658,200   1,134,232   40,247,116  poison    11   11   100.00  100%   9.1%L - 18.2%F - 0.0%M
    Dagger Storm            117,144,917 1,627,012.74   3,254,025.47   3,038,442   2,331,817   7,889,509   piercing  36   36   100.00  100%   11.1%L - 2.8%F - 5.6%M
    Stream of Arrows        110,007,661 1,527,884.18   6,111,536.72   6,168,383   3,892,393   10,667,305  poison    18   20   90.00   100%   16.7%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Pirate's Perception  90,587,753  1,258,163.24   1,372,541.71   1,283,893   653,670   2,735,003   slashing  66    66   100.00  100%   1.5%L - 3.0%F - 0.0%M 
    Repeated Salvo        86,464,912     1,200,901.56   1,330,229.42   1,194,154   628,886   3,398,572   piercing  65    65   100.00  100%   18.5%L - 6.2%F - 0.0%M
    Makeshift Arrow      73,829,743  1,025,413.10   1,085,731.51   1,083,606   487,633   2,326,649   piercing  68    72   94.44   100%   17.6%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Blackanvil Strike      64,579,087    896,931.76  3,587,727.06   3,900,521   2,935,563   3,900,521   divine  18   18   100.00  0%     -                     
    Peace of Mind          59,147,145    821,488.13  1,019,778.36   935,420  646,389     2,689,626   mental 58   67   86.57   100%   19.0%L - 5.2%F - 0.0%M
    Emberstrike          55,371,708  769,051.50  5,537,170.80   5,639,982   2,538,318   10,317,052  heat      10     10   100.00  100%   20.0%L - 20.0%F - 0.0%M
    Erollisi's Heartseeker  54,667,393   759,269.35  1,477,497.11   1,428,213   958,682  2,856,676   piercing  37    37   100.00  100%   24.3%L - 8.1%F - 0.0%M
    Evade                  42,246,055    586,750.76  5,280,756.88   4,972,311   3,223,131   7,190,790   piercing  8   8    100.00  100%   50.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Crypt's Revenge      39,796,251  552,725.71  1,105,451.42   1,002,152   690,674  3,032,622   disease   36    36   100.00  100%   19.4%L - 2.8%F - 0.0%M
    Fatal Combination      38,416,164    533,557.83  12,805,388.00  12,716,804  6,858,334   18,841,026  poison  3     3    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Sneak Attack            37,087,292   515,101.28  3,090,607.67   2,881,527   2,255,291   4,714,204   poison  12   12   100.00  100%   33.3%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Blade Chime          34,557,471  479,964.88  493,678.16  438,535     272,583     1,587,312   disease   70    70   100.00  100%   15.7%L - 5.7%F - 0.0%M
    Victorious Concerto  28,589,907  397,082.04  1,681,759.24   1,624,097   1,610,959   2,140,502   magic    17  17   100.00  0%     -                     
    Quick Shot            28,411,283     394,601.15  1,291,421.95   1,284,928   502,708  4,458,364   poison 22   23   95.65   100%   0.0%L - 9.1%F - 4.5%M 
    Dynamism                27,404,651   380,620.15  1,054,025.04   1,048,061   502,915  2,444,212   mental 26   26   100.00  100%   11.5%L - 0.0%F - 3.8%M
    Ranger's Blade        26,722,053     371,139.63  6,680,513.25   7,120,661   5,997,354   7,392,077   poison  4     4    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Arrow Barrage          26,684,181    370,613.63  2,223,681.75   2,307,554   1,492,628   3,089,227   poison  12   12   100.00  100%   8.3%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M 
    Sinister Strike      26,588,592  369,286.00  26,588,592.00  26,588,592  26,588,592  26,588,592  poison  1     1    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Clara's Chaos          24,731,932    343,499.06  1,236,596.60   1,149,219   850,057  2,313,101   disease   20    20   100.00  100%   5.0%L - 5.0%F - 0.0%M 
    Strike of Faith      20,780,075  288,612.15  1,039,003.75   1,016,340   932,391  1,382,074   divine 20   20   100.00  100%   20.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Natural Selection      20,087,777    278,996.90  4,017,555.40   3,587,332   2,828,637   5,655,326   poison  5     5    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Wounding Shot          18,686,201    259,530.57  549,594.15  409,800     178,543     1,451,825   poison 34   36   94.44   100%   23.5%L - 5.9%F - 8.8%M
    Bloody Reminder      15,543,727  215,885.10  1,195,671.31   1,301,816   592,904  1,657,658   poison 13   13   100.00  100%   7.7%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M 
    Exploding  Arrow        14,684,837   203,956.07  1,835,604.63   1,866,987   1,375,528   2,346,496   heat      8   9    88.89   100%   25.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Searing Shot            13,675,431   189,936.54  2,279,238.50   2,034,664   1,562,459   4,039,296   heat      6   6    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 16.7%M
    Smoke Bomb            12,902,450     179,200.69  4,300,816.67   4,569,335   3,024,588   5,308,527   poison  3     3    100.00  67%  0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M  
    Explosive Arrow      12,090,500  167,923.61  6,045,250.00   7,351,200   4,739,300   7,351,200   heat      2   2    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Daring Attack          6,939,350      96,379.86   991,335.71     765,793     719,166     2,289,676   piercing  7      7    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 14.3%F - 0.0%M
    Noxious Enfeeblement    2,665,277     37,017.74   2,665,277.00   2,665,277   2,665,277   2,665,277   poison 1     1    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Zander's Chorus      1,928,417    26,783.57   1,928,417.00   1,928,417   1,928,417   1,928,417   disease   1      1    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    pierce                1,063,811   14,775.15   42,552.44   39,864      19,627      107,260    piercing  25    27   92.59   100%   24.0%L - 0.0%F - 4.0%M
    Talon Strike            68,197       947.18      17,049.25    17,569      13,521      20,409      slashing  4     4    100.00  100%   0.0%L - 0.0%F - 0.0%M
    Killing              0            0.00         NaN          0          0           0           Death     0    12      0.00  NaN -                      
    Disorientation        0           0.00         NaN          0          0           0           heat   0   3    0.00 NaN -                      
     
  17. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    It looks like your ranger is melee attacking...
  18. Loppy

    Loppy Member

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    Great thread and one thats of huge interest to me as I'm trying to get my ranger to do some decent dps which is proving tougher than I thought.

    I've spent a decent amount of time at the training dummy tweaking the cast stack but still only hit about 20m solo. The toon has 2 lacerators but is missing the myth bow, currently using charge blaster which seems......ok. It's annoying as my briggy does 30-40m and my plan was to replace the briggy to get some higher dps in with a view to trying to progress in Masters Chosen.

    In the parse above the highest damage was from 'Blazing Weaponry', now my Ranger is left hand prestige spec'd but Blazing Weaponry doesn't show at all. What the hell is it and where does it come from?
  19. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    Blazing Weaponry is the Prestige Tree, the "Blazing Weapons" prestige.

    It then procs off having your temp buffs - Killing Instinct and Honed Reflexes up.
  20. Loppy

    Loppy Member

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    Ahh yes, I see that now. Thanks.

    I'm spec'd for it so I wonder why it didn't proc then, time to check the cast stack again.
  21. Loppy

    Loppy Member

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    I'm still trying to get my ranger semi decent but mostly failing. I'm trying to put together a cast stack but its proving quite tricky.

    If I have combat arts in the 'post-cast' tab do I also need them in the cast stack?

    Thanks!
  22. GamerMac

    GamerMac Member

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    I only use Cast Stack.. I am now averaging 40-50 mil single and 60-70 average on groups in Heroic zones. I keep thinking it should be higher. Maybe I am doing something wrong and should be using the Post Cast as well.
  23. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    If you are after Cast Stack help, perhaps might be worth posting a screenshot of it, or similar.

    Not if you want them to reliably post cast.

    Post cast will try use that ability directly after the one you set it to. If you have it in the cast stack, it is more likely to go off at random and not be available when you want it to.
  24. GamerMac

    GamerMac Member

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    That would explain why sometimes I get a High parse and the next 3 fights are mediocore.
    It would also explain why I can't get Mimicry to work the way it supposed to..
    I have had a 555mil hit.. Once.
  25. GamerMac

    GamerMac Member

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    Ok... so I am a little thick, but I think I got you now. I set my cast stack to what I think is best.. then I set the post to ENSURE they go in the order I want.

    If I have that right.. I am ready to move to the next step.. which is.. How do I get Mimicry to go off with Sniper Shot?
  26. blammo

    blammo Member

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    Update:

    Just managed to drop Servitor for the first time Monday (w00h00!) so making some progress.. (even if i did have to verdict him at 09:57 to avoid death).

    I wanted to include something that hasn't been said, but turns out is a MASSIVE factor.. so massive, I'm going to put it in bold/red.

    If you want to DPS well, you MUST be a Gold member. Period. Why? Because of Prestige items with massive group boosts. Practiced/Brotherhood/etc procs. 6x42% group potency. 6x25% group CB/POT. 873% Potency on a ring. etc etc etc.

    Especially with the new GU100 items having MASSIVE amounts of potency on them, available only to members, couple of examples:

    http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/1524212775
    http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/2223229976
    http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/990877015
    http://u.eq2wire.com/item/index/3334706927

    When I started this process, I was at 3 gold, and the rest were F2P.

    Now that only about half my group has now completed the Thalumbra timeline (Klick/Mora ring) the group DPS keeps climbing. The clue for me turned out to be the healer DPS.. Every parse I looked at where the group was putting out crazy DPS, the healers were doing 2x/3x/4x my healers DPS.. as the group potency items keep stacking on, their DPS goes up organically, without any cast stack/etc changes.. Now my healers are doing 6-8M DPS on fights, and I see them burst over 7,000 potency sometimes.

    Thank you all for your help in this journey, and hopefully this thread serves to help others having the same struggles.
  27. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    Make sure you get heartbound item and bind your toons too. 15 or 30 Fervor (Depending on how often you go to GH) is massive.
  28. appleuser

    appleuser Well-Known Member

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    Bumping this request. I tried to get this to work a few months ago but never succeeded. Anyone willing to help?
  29. BootyClaps

    BootyClaps New Member

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    Create an Announce on your Ranger for Sniper Shot (preferably whatever you have pre-casting on Sniper Shot). Set to "Announce To: Execute in Console"
    Enter:
    OgreBotAPI:CastAbilityOnPlayer_Relay[<enchanter name/all>, Temporal Mimicry, <ranger name>]
    (Replace the <> pieces with the correct info)
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  30. Cheesy

    Cheesy Well-Known Member

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    One of the easiest ways will be to use OgreAPI, a command such as the following;

    OgreBotAPI:CastAbilityOnPlayer_Relay[Coercer,Temporal Mimicry,RangersName]

    Put the above as an 'Execute in Console' on the announce tab, for the ability you want.

    However, I wouldn't advise Snipers Shot, as by the time the announce has got to coercer and it's casting, Snipers Shot will most likely have hit. You'd be better off making some kind of cast chain like Dragon Claws (PreCast) Wreak Havoc (Postcast) Snipers Shot, and having the announce in Dragon Claws.

    Just mess around with it a bit and find what works best for you.
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  31. appleuser

    appleuser Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys, much appreciated.
  32. blammo

    blammo Member

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  33. Lorgalis

    Lorgalis Active Member

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    This doesn't work for me. Do I need to put it in Ranger and Coercer? I add it to Ranger announce and such, but Coercer never casts Temporal. I'm likely doing something wrong :p
  34. mattb

    mattb Member

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    There are non prestige versions, not quite as good but OK. Mainly from Fabled Zones or Collections from Fabled Zones (CT and RoV)

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