Not Working Too Well

MissLaLa

Active Member
Hi I am new to this and was enjoying this "Bot" until I reached lvl 20 and all of a sudden I was failing one after the other...Is there any reason why? What should the lvls be set at?

Also there are a few things I dont understand..can someone just explain these in plain non technical english please hehe..

*what is Prog Ratio? I am thinking this is how quickly the bot wants to 'progress' rather than spend time on quality?

*what is the VEasy/Easy/Mod/Diff at the bottom part of the SetUp used for? This is VERY confusing?

*what does the min quality need to be set on in order to make a lower % C grade?

*What i am finding is that due to now an extra procedure and the 2500AP, the 2nd to last action cant even be done - there are only 3 or 400 AP left....this is a bit frustrating and it was working so awesome for the 1st day :(
 

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MissLaLa

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ok i have looked for 2 weeks for gear - where? quests only give you "at lvl" gear and no one seems to sell any that any good under lvl 30 or 31 - gear cant be all of it can it?
 

milamber

Active Member
it is ;)
Buy green gear if you cant get blue one..

Gear is really importent especially at later levels and try to even out your skills - that seem to have helped me.
 

MissLaLa

Active Member
Sorry I am wearing either blue or yellow gear so thats not it....

Anyone able to offer an explanation to any of the other questions?

*what is Prog Ratio? I am thinking this is how quickly the bot wants to 'progress' rather than spend time on quality?

*what is the VEasy/Easy/Mod/Diff at the bottom part of the SetUp used for? This is VERY confusing?

*what does the min quality need to be set on in order to make a lower % C grade?

*What i am finding is that due to now an extra procedure and the 2500AP, the 2nd to last action cant even be done - there are only 3 or 400 AP left....this is a bit frustrating and it was working so awesome for the 1st day
 

thezig

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Gear IS very important. At lvl 20 you should be using lvl 25+ gear. Green gear will do.

Progress ratio tells the bot how much AP to use for pure quality actions. It's calculated by looking at how much AP you have left and how many steps are left to complete. I set 2500 and higher to 28 progress ratio, and that works for me. The very easy -> difficult checkboxes and the sliders are your minimum and maximum quality for each work order difficulty. For Moderate orders I use 25 min and 50 max, and easy orders are 50 min 75 max. Every 25 pts is one grade higher (25 is C, 50 B, etc.).

Also, make sure your tools are up to date and you're allocating your stat points properly at level up. With the current system you'll want to keep your base stats about equal (you'll have to remove your stat-boosting items to see the base stats).
 

adakos

Active Member
My suggestions?

1- Craft a few items by hand
2 - see how bad you suck at crafting
3- Upgrade your gear
4- upgrade your tools
5-delete your craft bot folder
6- Check your utilities/tools/finishing and refining skills
7- Check your attributes
8- go to the vanguardcrafters forum and RTFM on crafting
9- Craft a few items by hand, see how much better you are now.
(optional)- reinstall craft bot
(mandatory)- DONT TOUCH THE SETTINGS for progress ratio/ min/max, etc.
....
profit
 

Smyrk

Active Member
Gear is key... you may be in blue and yellow gear, but if it is lower level than you are, its compromising your ability to craft. You always want to shoot to have gear and tools from the next half-tier ahead of you... from 20-24 you want to be using clothing and tools for Level 25 (26 if upgraded). Then from 25-29, get stuff for L30 (31 if upgraded). And so on up the ladder.

I'm firmly convinced that like harvesting tools, the lower the gear is compared to the tier you are working on, the less effective it is. If I had to choose between 2 identical items, the only difference being the level, I'd pick the one with the highest level.

Another good way to get better gear is to make good friends with a leather worker and tailor and feed them blue con clothing in exchange for upgraded clothes.

It really does make a massive difference.
 

spudman

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ee%, although not specific would tell us a good gauge of where she's at on gear, but hasn't posted that. Also has not posted stats/skills either. For all we know she has Utilities at 400 and tools/station at 150/50. She's getting comps out the wazoo and no tool skill to fix them.
 

Cr4zyb4rd

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Anyone able to offer an explanation to any of the other questions?
Don't post asking for help and then argue with the advice given. It's up to you whether or not you take the advice, but just shaking your head and saying "that's not it" is childish and pointless.

I'm sorry that the entirety of your post wasn't addressed by the first response made to it, but was that really a good reason to repost the entirety of it? When there wasn't even enough to scroll the original one off the average person's screen? When your post was the first one in the thread that anybody responding to would be referring to anyway?

I can't top the advice Adakos gave. Learn the mechanics of the system before you decide if the bot that cheats for you is too complicated, let alone that you have the wisdom to argue with the advice people give you in response to YOUR request.
 

wally

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Cr4zyBrd what was the point of your post ?

I see you post some helpful replies sometimes but in a lot you just seem to snipe for its own sake.

If you've got nothing useful to add why bother ?
 

MissLaLa

Active Member
Cr4zyb4rd said:
Don't post asking for help and then argue with the advice given. It's up to you whether or not you take the advice, but just shaking your head and saying "that's not it" is childish and pointless.

I'm sorry that the entirety of your post wasn't addressed by the first response made to it, but was that really a good reason to repost the entirety of it? When there wasn't even enough to scroll the original one off the average person's screen? When your post was the first one in the thread that anybody responding to would be referring to anyway?

I can't top the advice Adakos gave. Learn the mechanics of the system before you decide if the bot that cheats for you is too complicated, let alone that you have the wisdom to argue with the advice people give you in response to YOUR request.

Whoa Im not sure wtf your issue is but I wasnt arguing - I was merely not wanting to go thru a 'back and forth' commenting process on a forum for 3 days to get specific answers.....

Furthermore, for anything I am paying for I feel should be a bit more in depth in explanation...I followed the directions pretty carefully and had only a few issues once I started crafting above lvl 20...Not sure why you felt the need to attack me but back off ok...I wasnt arguing with anyone! I merely was trying to forgo the fact that I am wearing under lvl'd gear...ALL the gear I am wearing is between lvls 25-30 so i stated so....

Being this 'bot that cheats for me' is obviously NOT too complicated because I have used it successfully - I dont think you or anyone else should be jumping down my f'n throat.....

You seem to be a bully of sorts - pointing a judgemental finger at me while you yourself are on the same damn forum!
 

MissLaLa

Active Member
adakos said:
My suggestions?

1- Craft a few items by hand
2 - see how bad you suck at crafting
3- Upgrade your gear
4- upgrade your tools
5-delete your craft bot folder
6- Check your utilities/tools/finishing and refining skills
7- Check your attributes
8- go to the vanguardcrafters forum and RTFM on crafting
9- Craft a few items by hand, see how much better you are now.
(optional)- reinstall craft bot
(mandatory)- DONT TOUCH THE SETTINGS for progress ratio/ min/max, etc.
....
profit

God am I really paying for the "Read The F'n Manual" comments? I thought this was a place to get help not hindered :/:confused:

I mean I appreciate you giving your advice on the use but it seems to be a trend to down someone needing specifics...I spent money here like everyone else to purchase a product REGARDLESS to what it does or where it does it...I just wanted some more in depth info on the console w/out being criticized and ridiculed....If this is how they are running this business - "wow" is all I can say.
 

MissLaLa

Active Member
wally said:
Cr4zyBrd what was the point of your post ?

I see you post some helpful replies sometimes but in a lot you just seem to snipe for its own sake.

If you've got nothing useful to add why bother ?
Thanks for at least acknowledging this...I appreciate it :)
 

Xeon

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MissLaLa said:
Hi I am new to this and was enjoying this "Bot" until I reached lvl 20 and all of a sudden I was failing one after the other...Is there any reason why? What should the lvls be set at?
Make sure all your skills and attributes are close to the same level.

If you have any skill points, put them into something (Problem solving is always nice)

*what is Prog Ratio? I am thinking this is how quickly the bot wants to 'progress' rather than spend time on quality?

*what is the VEasy/Easy/Mod/Diff at the bottom part of the SetUp used for? This is VERY confusing?
If you are running out of AP and failing a recipe, then lower the Prog Ratio

When you are doing a Work Order, the HUD will show what difficulty it is (Easy, Mod, etc). You use the bottom part of the setup to change the Min/Max quality sliders based on that.
 

spudman

Active Member
MissLaLa said:
God am I really paying for the "Read The F'n Manual" comments? I thought this was a place to get help not hindered :/:confused:
You are paying for the extension that allows you to script VG, you are not paying for the scripts or support for them. All of the scripts are done by volunteer's, are free, and are not entitled to support. You are not paying for someone to hold your hand so please don't go screaming that you are entitled to it.

Besides the barking of 'I'm not satisfied', you're posting a specific question about vgcraftbot, in a general discussion forum. Hmmm maybe the person who actually wrote vgcb would give you better answers in the vgcraftbot feedback thread? Then again, if you keep up the "GD it, I'm entitled to support" for something that's actually 'free' (meaning the vgcb script), I doubt it.

You are now in a world of game scripter's, etc. They are generally not a hand holding, coddling, kissing your ars type of group. Welcome, but at the same time, if your visions are of just clicking a few links and boom you'll have a lvl 50 crafter or adventurer then I'm afraid you'll be sadly mistaken.

Lastly, you still have not posted your stats/skills! Several people have offered various advice and you've only said "oh my gear is fine", but that's it. There's more to crafting than just gear. And there's more to crafting than just running vgcb and clicking start.
 

Cr4zyb4rd

Active Member
If you've got nothing useful to add why bother ?
Like this? Like your entire post? Please, PM me and explain how this contributes to the current discussion, or to the forum in general. My "sniping", much like this very response you're currently reading, contains my opinion followed by a fairly well-reasoned explanation of why/how I arrived at it and why I feel it's applicable. I can well see how you might find those opinion's negative, but I highly doubt that you can muster an argument for their being non-constructive.

Furthermore, for anything I am paying for I feel should be a bit more in depth in explanation...
God am I really paying for the "Read The F'n Manual" comments?
I'm not sure how or why you feel that you're paying for or entitled to any explanation whatsoever. Amadeus makes it quite clear throughout the subscription process and the documentation exactly what your subscription fee (none of which is going to myself or the other contributers to these forums) guarantees you, and your questions don't fall under any of it.

What IS being paid for is the server to host these forums, the bandwidth and storage space they use. Also all readers of and contributors to these forums pay the price of time and energy to go through these posts and attempt to help others...a price that goes up when people do things like use uninformative titles like "Help! It doesn't work!", or fill up a thread with redundant information.

Yes, I'm a big bad bully to demand that people think before they post, that they do some research for themselves, follow standard (I dare say common-sense) posting guidelines that would be applicable on any other forum, and so on. That said, I might as well heap on the abuse by suggesting that you both do some research on the distinction between FORM and CONTENT, and that you read with the objective of discerning the thoughts the author is attempting to express rather than scanning until you find a buzzword or phrase you don't like and narrowing your attention to that. I freely admit that I myself am guilty of the same error, but it's good advice nevertheless and a methodology that I attempt to follow.

I mean I appreciate you giving your advice on the use but it seems to be a trend to down someone needing specifics..
Hardly. If you scan other posts I've made, you won't have to look far to find one where I've literally spent hours working answer to a question; researching documentation, writing example code, designing "toy scripts" to test certain behaviors for myself so that I can be fairly sure I'm not providing false information. If this is true for me, I'm sure it's true for many of the other "regulars" that post on these forums. However, what none of us likes is providing the same information (specific or otherwise) that is already available in the scripts themselves or in the already-extant feedback posts for those scripts. Anybody that finds a suggestion that they read this documentation, or become more familiar with the process they're asking for help with being "hindered" in some way, I'm sad to say, just doesn't "get it" and isn't likely to find the type or quality of help they're looking for around here.

Good luck. I could have just closed or deleted this thread, but here instead I've spent nearly an hour of my life trying to write a thoughtful reply. I sincerely hope somebody who's less of a "bully" can help you with your issues.


edit: F*ck you xeonx, you old softy :p
 

MissLaLa

Active Member
Hi to anyone that was able to maintain some minimal amount of civility on this thread. I am new to VG and was amazed at such a script like CraftBot...Ive never used anything like it before in any online mmo so yes it was new to me.

Like with anything else, I consider myself an educated woman and I do read the manuals - as a matter of fact, I printed the directions with the pics of the panels to make it easier. However, even with that, I found there were questions with how the different options correlated with one another. (this info was not given)

My first search on this forum was to find someone who had maybe posted a thread that would contain info that would share "stats" ie at lvl 20 these are good numbers to use for "Diff" recipes etc etc.

When I didnt find anything like it I began searching for information about the panel itself and got nothing. My thoughts were perhaps due to my lack of knowledge with the terminology of this bot, I may not turn up any threads that would answer my questions. This is when I opted to post my own thread here.

Yes, I admit I assumed my monies for the subscription were used to fund the creativity of the project as noted when I was paying for it. As I was rudely informed, the money is to serve the purposes of this forum. Well if that is the case, why is it that when questions are being asked, I am being attacked by smart arse 'techies' that try to demean me??

Is it the implication that because I am not a techie I shouldnt use the product? I see that I am not the only person that feels this throughout viewing other threads in this forum.

I will gladly pay an additional sum of monies for some aspect of tech support - I have not one problem with that. What I do set issue with is that I believed when I asked questions on a forum for a product I am using, that I could get reliable help and answers without being insulted and/or bullied. I am not in need of being coddled btw.

Forgive my naiveness - I am just a 'new user'.

Also - I saw an issue the other day and wanted to know if this was normal. Is the Craft Bot supposed to speak in the /say of the inworld chat? A friend of mine is using this as well and it showed up in the chat and several ppl basically started screaming "BUSTED!!!" - Also, I see a new thing about FAction grinding? Is there a manual for this new option/update? (the "it" was "XX says, "runscript vgcraftbot") This person hadnt even touched the keyboard at this point.

Is it ok to ask these questions here in this forum??? Hopefully I wont get another 'RTFM" or "No ones going to hold your hand" response hehe...Thanks in advance

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PS - I have learned to tinker with the craft bot and it is working "ok" for the most part...I still wish there were some more viable stats to rely on that would allow for maximum usage but I am appreciative of the help I get at this point. I also did a jillion crafting quests to update all my gear. so I am a lvl 25 crafter and I am wearing lvl 25-30 gear - mainly due to lack of it being sold on xchange and I cant find any more quests :/ And...Im not sure if these are the 'stat's that were being requested but here goes:
Problem Solving 259
Reasoning 215
Ingenuity 217
Finesse 217
 
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Xeon

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MissLaLa said:
Also - I saw an issue the other day and wanted to know if this was normal. Is the Craft Bot supposed to speak in the /say of the inworld chat? A friend of mine is using this as well and it showed up in the chat and several ppl basically started screaming "BUSTED!!!" - Also, I see a new thing about FAction grinding? Is there a manual for this new option/update? (the "it" was "XX says, "runscript vgcraftbot") This person hadnt even touched the keyboard at this point.
No, the CraftBot does not "say" things in open chat.... especialy not a ISXVG command to run the script. It sounds like XX just typed their command into the wrong window.
so I am a lvl 25 crafter and I am wearing lvl 25-30 gear - mainly due to lack of it being sold on xchange and I cant find any more quests :/ And...Im not sure if these are the 'stat's that were being requested but here goes:
Problem Solving 259
Reasoning 215
Ingenuity 217
Finesse 217
Yes, those stats are fine. Also be sure to keep your skills close to each other.
Make sure that all your gear is +Utilities, +Tools or +Station.
Do NOT use any +refining or +blacksmithing, etc.

And you really should read through these threads, as all these questions have been answered there:

http://www.isxgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=932
 

eqjoe

Active Member
wally said:
Cr4zyBrd what was the point of your post ?

I see you post some helpful replies sometimes but in a lot you just seem to snipe for its own sake.

If you've got nothing useful to add why bother ?
Crazy is a damn pussy and you are not the brightest crayon in the box. The moderator clearly makes a point about the post and the OPs use of quote. Your response would buy you a short vacation from any of the forums that I moderate.

-j
 
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