A chaintab issue

[snnr]

I've been using chaintab lately on my bl. As I didn't use chaintab, I am not sure if I'm using it correctly. The problem is that when I put normal CAs like Quick Swipe and Rush in the chaintab they are no longer triggered for the CA tab. That is, they are not used anymore unless the chain is triggered.

Hopefully I am being specific enuf. Suggestions/critics are welcome.

Thanks!

 

[Kannkor]

I've been using chaintab lately on my bl. As I didn't use chaintab, I am not sure if I'm using it correctly. The problem is that when I put normal CAs like Quick Swipe and Rush in the chaintab they are no longer triggered for the CA tab. That is, they are not used anymore unless the chain is triggered.

Hopefully I am being specific enuf. Suggestions/critics are welcome.

Thanks!

1) I hate the chain tab.
2) I hate beastlords.

I'm willing to bet, everything is working correctly. You've probably set your chain tab to a savagery level, which you aren't at yet. So yes, the chain tab will hold back any ability in it if it won't be up again before the chain is ready.

If you want to test, make sure your chain tab, an any ability on the chain tab itself, has no savagery requirement set. If you are still having issues let me know.

 

[snnr]

I agree with you that it has everything to do with the set savagery level. I put quick swipe/Feral rending in the chain in between primals. Is there anyway to solve this? We really need to use them inbetween primals to be parse like a real player.

How about a new tag in chaintab, e.g. "not hold for chain"?

1) I hate the chain tab.
2) I hate beastlords.

I'm willing to bet, everything is working correctly. You've probably set your chain tab to a savagery level, which you aren't at yet. So yes, the chain tab will hold back any ability in it if it won't be up again before the chain is ready.

If you want to test, make sure your chain tab, an any ability on the chain tab itself, has no savagery requirement set. If you are still having issues let me know.

 

[bjcasey]

I agree with you that it has everything to do with the set savagery level. I put quick swipe/Feral rending in the chain in between primals. Is there anyway to solve this? We really need to use them inbetween primals to be parse like a real player.

How about a new tag in chaintab, e.g. "not hold for chain"?

It's already there. It's called [O]ptional

 

[Kannkor]

I agree with you that it has everything to do with the set savagery level. I put quick swipe/Feral rending in the chain in between primals. Is there anyway to solve this? We really need to use them inbetween primals to be parse like a real player.

How about a new tag in chaintab, e.g. "not hold for chain"?

uhh... If you want something that doesn't hold... don't use the chain.

Or come up with some reasonable logic of how to I can add this. I am NOT going to come up with some "average saveragy gain rate", so it has to be based off of real numbers.

 

[Kannkor]

It's already there. It's called [O]ptional

That doesn't do it.. Optional just means the chain can go without that ability, not that the ca tab will cast it.

 

[Ali]

I agree with you that it has everything to do with the set savagery level. I put quick swipe/Feral rending in the chain in between primals. Is there anyway to solve this? We really need to use them inbetween primals to be parse like a real player.

How about a new tag in chaintab, e.g. "not hold for chain"?

You don't need chain tab to handle that, see my posted profile if want example. Chain tab seems to cause more issues than fixed when asked for it, so Kannkor loves beastlords

 

[snnr]

I immediately tried your profile when I felt I was ready. It is awesome. But with chaintab, we could chain the 6 primals when temp buffs aren't up and have 2 ca/advantages filled in to maintain the savagery level (not necessarily 6), with help of the optional tag. Right now I use the encounter dd in chaintab for the mere merit of retaining savagery and the 3 CAs from AA, which happen to have the same recast as the primals. It is ok but could be better.

I think this "not hold for chaintab" feature thing may help on other classes such as brigands. I don't play brigand myself, but seems real players "chain" things, too.

PS: Kannkor, could you increase the number of chaintab from 3 in future updates? Currently I have two, one with temp buff and one without. But I'd like to have another two customized for BAE fight. I haven't looked at if there is any way to work it around though.

You don't need chain tab to handle that, see my posted profile if want example. Chain tab seems to cause more issues than fixed when asked for it, so Kannkor loves beastlords

 

[Ali]

I immediately tried your profile when I felt I was ready. It is awesome. But with chaintab, we could chain the 6 primals when temp buffs aren't up and have 2 ca/advantages filled in to maintain the savagery level (not necessarily 6), with help of the optional tag. Right now I use the encounter dd in chaintab for the mere merit of retaining savagery and the 3 CAs from AA, which happen to have the same recast as the primals. It is ok but could be better.

I think this "not hold for chaintab" feature thing may help on other classes such as brigands. I don't play brigand myself, but seems real players "chain" things, too.

PS: Kannkor, could you increase the number of chaintab from 3 in future updates? Currently I have two, one with temp buff and one without. But I'd like to have another two customized for BAE fight. I haven't looked at if there is any way to work it around though.

You don't need the chain tab to maintain sav 6, as it is now it can maintain that in the ca tab. Just add primals to top of ca tab, and then fill in rest and it will use primals as get to sav 6, then use ca's until back up. You're going to maintain higher dps doing it this way than trying to get the chain tabs working.

For your situational chains, save different profiles with the chains differently, or play manually is about the best can offer there.

 

[Kannkor]

I immediately tried your profile when I felt I was ready. It is awesome. But with chaintab, we could chain the 6 primals when temp buffs aren't up and have 2 ca/advantages filled in to maintain the savagery level (not necessarily 6), with help of the optional tag. Right now I use the encounter dd in chaintab for the mere merit of retaining savagery and the 3 CAs from AA, which happen to have the same recast as the primals. It is ok but could be better.

I think this "not hold for chaintab" feature thing may help on other classes such as brigands. I don't play brigand myself, but seems real players "chain" things, too.

PS: Kannkor, could you increase the number of chaintab from 3 in future updates? Currently I have two, one with temp buff and one without. But I'd like to have another two customized for BAE fight. I haven't looked at if there is any way to work it around though.

So you're saying, you want it to cast primals at a certain savagery level, and when it's not there, cast other abilities to get it up higher... ...
Use the CA tab?

I very well could be missing some detail / reason / understanding of what you want. From what I can read, everything you've asked for is possible, with the exception of the "not hold for chaintab", because it seems moot given the rest of the conversation.

You'd need to prove me spending the time to add more chain tabs is worth while. Chain tabs are a HUGE pain in the ass.

While I do run a beastlord, I'm not all that knowledgable about them, I just don't see your reason t want to "chain" primals - advantages - primals together, when the CA tab does exactly this for you. The chain with savagery freeze works awesome.

 

[snnr]

hmm... that wasn't the case for me. last time it was just hitting one or two primals and never got back to 6 until the buff expired. I will definitely try your profile again tonight.

Thanks!

You don't need the chain tab to maintain sav 6, as it is now it can maintain that in the ca tab. Just add primals to top of ca tab, and then fill in rest and it will use primals as get to sav 6, then use ca's until back up. You're going to maintain higher dps doing it this way than trying to get the chain tabs working.

For your situational chains, save different profiles with the chains differently, or play manually is about the best can offer there.

 

[snnr]

Well, yea, primal freeze makes things much easier but it has longer recast than primals. If I can retain savagery 6 for all primals then I wouldn't have the reason to use the chaintab... But since Ali said yes we can, I'll try it again.

I totally agree with you that chaintab should be avoided at all cost. I don't run any other toon with chaintab. But chaintab can be useful in some situation. For example, for some reason you had messed up the recast of some of the primals then you'd want to NOT cast them until you knew you could cast them in a row for the last two big hits. Though, this logic may or may not always result in better performance.

Currently, I am not spec for Savagery freeze but Buffrat's spec...cuz I kinda think SF and the other too savagery temp buffs are redundant... My chaintab works (out-performed my friend's BL who's running Ali' profile, but yes there are other variables), just that the chaintab seems not get triggered until the CA tab run out of CAs... (it seems, i am not quite sure)

I don't have any strong reason for wanting to have more chaintab tabs. Just that I have 2 for feral stance not and probably will want to have 2 for spiritual stance in the fugure... well if I am better off with Ali's method, it will be another story..

So you're saying, you want it to cast primals at a certain savagery level, and when it's not there, cast other abilities to get it up higher... ...
Use the CA tab?

I very well could be missing some detail / reason / understanding of what you want. From what I can read, everything you've asked for is possible, with the exception of the "not hold for chaintab", because it seems moot given the rest of the conversation.

You'd need to prove me spending the time to add more chain tabs is worth while. Chain tabs are a HUGE pain in the ass.

While I do run a beastlord, I'm not all that knowledgable about them, I just don't see your reason t want to "chain" primals - advantages - primals together, when the CA tab does exactly this for you. The chain with savagery freeze works awesome.

 

[Ali]

hmm... that wasn't the case for me. last time it was just hitting one or two primals and never got back to 6 until the buff expired. I will definitely try your profile again tonight.

Thanks!

The bot should be able to maintain sav 5/6 fairly easily. It should use primal when hits 6, use advantages/ca's until it gets back to 6, then use another primal. If you're not seeing that, then you have something off in profile, or running low fps on that session.

Well, yea, primal freeze makes things much easier but it has longer recast than primals. If I can retain savagery 6 for all primals then I wouldn't have the reason to use the chaintab... But since Ali said yes we can, I'll try it again.

I totally agree with you that chaintab should be avoided at all cost. I don't run any other toon with chaintab. But chaintab can be useful in some situation. For example, for some reason you had messed up the recast of some of the primals then you'd want to NOT cast them until you knew you could cast them in a row for the last two big hits. Though, this logic may or may not always result in better performance.

Currently, I am not spec for Savagery freeze but Buffrat's spec...cuz I kinda think SF and the other too savagery temp buffs are redundant... My chaintab works (out-performed my friend's BL who's running Ali' profile, but yes there are other variables), just that the chaintab seems not get triggered until the CA tab run out of CAs... (it seems, i am not quite sure)

I don't have any strong reason for wanting to have more chaintab tabs. Just that I have 2 for feral stance not and probably will want to have 2 for spiritual stance in the fugure... well if I am better off with Ali's method, it will be another story..

I don't know if you've seen it or not yet, but the reason I dropped using chain tabs out of my profile is that they don't go well with movement and dps'ing. If the mob moves/repositions/whatever in middle of ca's in chain tab, you can actually end up losing dps more often than you gain.

My main rational for using freeze is for the burst dps since I can pair it with CM. Also I don't have pet survival issues (why I don't use agi line) since I have a shaman for both my beastlords, and controlling pets isn't that hard.

As for my profile, the better gear you have, the better dps you'll see from it. I use it, so it's made more for the upper end of the gear spectrum. If you're not in at least hm/drunder hm gear and/or have a group built around boosting beastlords dps, you'll need to tweak it some.

 

[snnr]

Yes, the bot is able to maitain sav above 5. But I see no way it can hit the sixth primal with 6 stacked buff. Most likely can't keep up after 3 or 4?

I definitely see your rationale. But the chaintab has its merit, too. I sync my big stuff like deadly dance and combat mastery with the chain, and enjoy seeing the big numbers.

The bot should be able to maintain sav 5/6 fairly easily. It should use primal when hits 6, use advantages/ca's until it gets back to 6, then use another primal. If you're not seeing that, then you have something off in profile, or running low fps on that session.



I don't know if you've seen it or not yet, but the reason I dropped using chain tabs out of my profile is that they don't go well with movement and dps'ing. If the mob moves/repositions/whatever in middle of ca's in chain tab, you can actually end up losing dps more often than you gain.

My main rational for using freeze is for the burst dps since I can pair it with CM. Also I don't have pet survival issues (why I don't use agi line) since I have a shaman for both my beastlords, and controlling pets isn't that hard.

As for my profile, the better gear you have, the better dps you'll see from it. I use it, so it's made more for the upper end of the gear spectrum. If you're not in at least hm/drunder hm gear and/or have a group built around boosting beastlords dps, you'll need to tweak it some.

 

[Ali]

Yes, the bot is able to maitain sav above 5. But I see no way it can hit the sixth primal with 6 stacked buff. Most likely can't keep up after 3 or 4?

I definitely see your rationale. But the chaintab has its merit, too. I sync my big stuff like deadly dance and combat mastery with the chain, and enjoy seeing the big numbers.

If you want to see the bigger numbers and get full benefit from the rampage buffs, spec into freeze, and can easily ditch chain tab.