Need help picking a graphics card for 6 toon son 1 computer

sumoslim

Well-Known Member
I am currently running a 4870 ATI and getting around 15-20 fps on the main toon (on extreme performance settings). I am using ISBoxer, ISX and running 6 toons at one time on one screen.

I am considering a 470 NVidia - but would LOVE to know of a card that is specifically good at what folks like us do. I am especially looking for something that will let me run at a balanced graphics setting and run around 30+ fps while fighting. If that is possible.
 

Hendrix

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If i were wanting to run 6 toons on 1 machine i would probably have about 12 gigs of ram and a video card with 2 gig of on board memory.
 

robroy

Active Member
I 6box. I run I7 processor, 6gig ram and gtx 260 gpu. runs fine and around 41fps.

When i 4box i run at 61fps.
 

Hendrix

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wow, my instances of EQ2 usually run at over 1gb per instance so I like to give 2 gigs of ram per instance i want to run. Gives a little leeway left over for the OS to have some memory ;)
 

osoteq

Well-Known Member
wow

I am amazed that you guys run so well with 6 instances running and I am wondering what is wrong with my system. I can only run up to 4 instances tolerably and whether running 3 or 4 within a few hours I have to reboot because all my memory is gone (I can actually watch it slowly count down in the top left memory tracking isxeq2 window). I have a decent pc too so I'm not sure what the problem is. I am running an i7 with 8 gig ram. My video card leaves a little to be desired but I don't think that would have anything to do with me steadily losing system ram, right? My card is an ATI Radeon 4800 series with 512 mb. Any idea why I would be having issues? I was thinking there was a memory leak and did some searches here and found a few things but nothing that has helped (even downloaded and installed the hotfix from Microsoft that somebody posted). I am running a paladin, dirge, illusionist and warden on this pc at the moment (just added the warden recently and behavior was the same before adding her). I run a necro and templar on the second PC (which is a much less powerful machine and yet doesn't seem to have the memory issues my main one does). Thanks in advance for suggestions. Oh, and btw, I am running only my paladin's instance with half-way decent graphics settings and sound, all my other instances are on extreme performance with no sound generated.
 

robroy

Active Member
Your gpu needs more memory. As far as memory leak, i leave comp running while 6boxing for days on end non stop except for those seldom monday/tuesday 8/9am updates. other than that, less p0rn, more isx :p
 

osoteq

Well-Known Member
woot

Thank you, Hendrix! That took care of my problem with the memory leak. You rock! (and your last name rocks too /grin/)
 

Drift3r

Active Member
I am running a q9650 cpu with 8 gigs of ram and a Nvidia GTX 285 video card and I use 2 monitors. I can run 4 instances okay with about 20-40 fps on tweaked balanced settings with my main character and the rest on extreme performance settings.

What would I need to upgrade on my rig to run 6 instances with the main instance being run on balance performance and the others at Extreme performance levels and still have at least 30+ fps during fight scenes?

I now I would probably have to beef up the ram but what else? CPU and MB maybe?

Edit: If I should go with a ram, cpu upgrade and mb upgrade what should I go for? AMD Phenom II X6 or an I7 Intel processor?
 
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Kannkor

Ogre
I am running a q9650 cpu with 8 gigs of ram and a Nvidia GTX 285 video card and I use 2 monitors. I can run 4 instances okay with about 20-40 fps on tweaked balanced settings with my main character and the rest on extreme performance settings.

What would I need to upgrade on my rig to run 6 instances with the main instance being run on balance performance and the others at Extreme performance levels and still have at least 30+ fps during fight scenes?

I now I would probably have to beef up the ram but what else? CPU and MB maybe?

Edit: If I should go with a ram, cpu upgrade and mb upgrade what should I go for? AMD Phenom II X6 or an I7 Intel processor?
I personally have never had 'as good' experience with putting loads onto AMD as with Intel. I'm 100% support of Intel processors. I've usually have tried AMD every 3-5 years cause of how much cheaper they are, and I've regretting doing it every time. I've been VERY happy with my i7.
 

Drift3r

Active Member
I personally have never had 'as good' experience with putting loads onto AMD as with Intel. I'm 100% support of Intel processors. I've usually have tried AMD every 3-5 years cause of how much cheaper they are, and I've regretting doing it every time. I've been VERY happy with my i7.
Are you using the 6 core or 4 core I7's? Could their 4 core I7 cpu's handle 6 boxing on the same machine as their newer 6 core cpu's?
 

Kannkor

Ogre
Are you using the 6 core or 4 core I7's? Could their 4 core I7 cpu's handle 6 boxing on the same machine as their newer 6 core cpu's?
I don't actually 6 box on a PC. Most I do is 5 box (I only run 6 toons, and I have 3 comps, so have no reason too). I've loaded 6 the odd time if I needed to get a friend loot etc and had no issue doing it. 5 boxes no problem. Unlike others who say they want 1 screen balanced or uber graphic.. fuck that, I go 100% performance.

Mine is a 4 core.
 
Q9650 Quad Core CPU vs. I7 Quads/Hexcores

I am currently running 4 toons on a Q9650 3ghz Quadcore overclocked at around 4.05ghz 8gig/ram @ 911mhz

From extensive testing and research ive found the reason why anything more then 4 toons on a q9650 is undesirable. I have been able to run 6, yes - but w/ much lag/slowness

The reason behind the lag n slowness is the limitation of the q9650 processor and anything prior to an i7. The Q9650 has 4 cores, 1 thread per core. Due to a lack of "Hyperthreading"

A QuadCore i7, has 4 cores, but 2 threads per core, with Hyperthreading enabled. -- in actuality, windows see's each thread on each core as a "processor"
if you were to go into the task manager and right click on the everquest2.exe process and click on set affinity... you will actually see 8 cores... 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7

A HexaCore i7 you should see 12 cpu's in set afinity. While each of these extra threads, isnt a "true" processor, because of hyperthreading, each process will run at 50% per thread... instead of using the entire 100% of 1 core on each instance...

If you ran eq2 instance 1, on core 0, it would run at 50% cpu on core 0, and if you ran instance 2 on core 1, it would use the other 50% of core 0. Hyperthreading doesnt let the 2 threads overlap per say, and doesn't "overwork" that first core on a i7 quad.

in theory... if you had 24gig ram and a hexacore i7, your could prolly run at least 12 toons on 1 pc. 6 cores w/ hyperthreading, 12 threads... each thread being a seperate eq2 instance.

I hope that makes sense, im not the best at explaining things =)
 

bjcasey

ISX Specialist
That was a really interesting explanation and makes me wish I had more money for another upgrade :)
 

Drift3r

Active Member
Wow that makes a lot of sense. I don't have a great desire to run 12 toons (mainly because 24 gigs of ram is hard to come by and probably uber expensive along with sustianing 12 accounts :p ) but I do have a great desire to run 6 characters. I am gonna save up my pennies for a 6 core i7 unless of course an 8 core i7 or something similar comes out before I go to purchase my upgrades. :)
 

tehfeer

Active Member
That is not exactly how Hyperthreading works. The true cores will run at 100% however you gain extra scheduling points. This is why the OS sees a extra core. These points run at about 20%. While you do get some gain out of hypertreading you might want to be careful when setting affinity.

For the most part if you look at benchmarks for other video games you actually lose FPS when Hyperthreading is enabled. It would be interesting to see some tests with boxing 5 chars with hyper threading disabled and enabled. I could see how when running 5-6 sessions it might help but I really wonder how much.
 

pz

Active Member
hyperthreading is poor man's multicore, and typically not worth treating as a seperate core for our purposes (eq2 clients).
 
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