Rules of Fight Club.. err.. bot club.

Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
Rules of Bot Club.

Here are a few things to keep in mind if you use any 3rd party programs, you know.. such as botting... ....


I'll explain why these are important.

#1 - Don't talk about bot club in a public manner. I'll go as far to say don't talk about bot club PERIOD. To anyone, ever.
Why? First thing first, don't ever talk about it in game. Not via tells, not in guild chat, not in a public channel, NOT VIA VOICE CHAT EITHER. Every single method to communicate in-game is logged. Yes, that means every single tell you have ever sent, every single line of text you have ever typed into game, is logged on their servers.

Repercussions: The obvious one, is getting yourself banned. There's other repercussions, talking about bots in public channels can lead to people "investigating" bots, and finding out what they are capable of, and that can lead to SOE getting interested.

Generally speaking, we fly under the radar. We stay quiet, we stay in the shadows, and we can continue to do what we do. You start running around screaming "I'M A BOTTER AND I'M BETTER THAN YOU", and they launch the missiles and focus on closing us down.​


#2 - Griefing
What? In short, this means affecting anyone elses game play in a negative fashion from THEIR POINT OF VIEW. Remember, WE are the ones cheating, so we have to cater to those who aren't cheating, so we may continue to cheat.
It's double exp, some guy is grinding in seb, and you really want to get that exp, you need to back off, and move to a different area/zone. You steam roll him, he petitions you, guess who is in trouble? You are, you cheater.

Remember, griefing is if the other person feels griefed, not if you feel you are griefing. It's the short of the stick, deal with it, cheater.​


#3 - Bragging
Sadly, this goes along with griefing. Being better than human players is something to be proud of, but don't rub it in the players face. Why? Because they will feel griefed! If you want to brag about botting, do it here on these forums. Don't go bragging in chat about how awesome you are with your "boxed" group. Keep that stuff to yourself.​


#4 - Contact/communication with SOE/Petitions/Support
This one should really be a no brainer. DO NOT contact SOE in any way shape or form while you have any botting software running. If they ask for support files that you run with the bot loaded, guess what? They clearly show you are using the isxeq2 and isxogre. If you need to contact SOE, don't even use innerspace. Load the game manually..​


I'm sure there's 8 million more important rules, but those are my top 4.

Ultimately, it comes down to this. I personally enjoy botting in EQ2. If you are doing any of the above, you are risking SOE looking to implement ways of preventing us from botting, thus you are threatening MY game play.

If I catch anyone talking about using botting programs in-game, I'll send you a PM or email. If you have OgreBot and continue to talk about it in public, I'll turn off your subscription. I'm not willing to risk the game I enjoy for you. Please keep this in mind, before you go talking about it in-game.

Worth noting...
If you have any "omfg awesome xp spots where mobs respawn", please keep them to yourself.. posting them on your guild forums, will only get them nerfed.

-Kannkor
 
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Nuprecon

Nuprecon

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You silly cheater. You forgot to say DON'T TELL EVERY WHERE THE BEST PLACES TO AFK FIGHT ARE! Goddamn stop talking about "so and so zone" is a great place to grind "so and so" cause of all the instant spawn xp mobs! You dumb asses, thats the best way to get it nerfed...
 
Sethric

Sethric

Active Member
Thumbs up to this post! Don't talk through the game about sekrit stuff.
By now they proably have alarms go off when the word kannkor is memtioned.
I don't talk in-game about my top 10 spots to bot 100AA a day
 
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tub210

Active Member
Yeah, appreciate the post Kannkor. You would be surprised what people will talk about in game. We have a guy on our server that says in guild chat and in public chat, "I am so bored because my botting program is down." Or "I will help you when my botting program comes back up." People like that are going to risk gameplay for all of us. :(
 
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imgx

Member
Good common sense rules. I would recommend not tracking bot guild kills on guildprogress.com as well. It is in essence bragging and many know these guilds do not have a lot of real people.
 
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amyglyn

Active Member
Also don't do a ton of SLR (don't go overboard, only once in a while if you must), and don't brag about how much plat you've accumulated, etc.
 
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mycroft

Script Author: MyPrices
Unfortunately a character called 'Gaije' on the splitpaw server is talking about 'ISBoxer' being such a good program for 2-boxing and how so many people use it in general chat channels , no idea what / who he is though.

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Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
mycroft said:
Unfortunately a character called 'Gaije' on the splitpaw server is talking about 'ISBoxer' being such a good program for 2-boxing and how so many people use it in general chat channels , no idea what / who he is though.

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Well... I believe isboxer is completely within the rules... Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to smack him..
 
Kevinshp

Kevinshp

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Kannkor said:
Well... I believe isboxer is completely within the rules... Doesn't mean I wouldn't like to smack him..
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Not sure who he is either I would love to smack him as well! Or I'll hold him and you smack him kannkor. People know I box but I never ever ever say how or what I use in any game chat or voice chat nor should anyone else.
 
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Zigge

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So apparently SOE is going to start to hunt down botters now. A friend of mine got contacted by a gm yesterday, he said that they are investigating more thorough bot activity on the servers. And most likely ban people getting caught. This was on Splitpaw server, but heard from others that more servers will have the same attention. Has any of you guys heard anything?
 
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davebob35

Member
Can you give anymore insight into what they are looking for? People in contested areas, are they going to be watching groups in instances or are they going to be looking at what are accounts are pulling from their servers (aka WoW)? Curious if you can give more info about the conversation?
 
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Zigge

Member
I don't know any details about how they are doing it. But I suppose they will be monitoring chat channels for people selling loot, and check raid zones somehow maybe if just 6 people zone in to AoA for example they get suspicious and look into it more.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
Zigge said:
I don't know any details about how they are doing it. But I suppose they will be monitoring chat channels for people selling loot, and check raid zones somehow maybe if just 6 people zone in to AoA for example they get suspicious and look into it more.
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Or............ People don't follow the guidelines set forth, and get themselves petitioned, so they check up on you.

People may not have a lot of common sense, but people aren't flat out dumb. If you SLR every time you're online, and it's always the exact same 6/12 toons, people will assume you're a botter. At some stage, someone is going to be upset with you, and you'll get petitioned.

So the choice is yours: Plat and exposure, or no plat and better safety.

Greed usually wins.
 
wolfppo

wolfppo

Active Member
I do many zones but never sell loot I just mute what I dont need, how much plat is to much I have 20k and dont need anymore so wont sell anything I box to have fun not to make coin if your quiet and chill soe will leave you alone as your paying for 6+ accounts if all the botters in eq2 got baned soe would fail as no money in would kill the game.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
wolfppo said:
if your quiet and chill soe will leave you alone as your paying for 6+ accounts if all the botters in eq2 got baned soe would fail as no money in would kill the game.
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Not true at all. While all of us botters bring in some coin for them, don't be fooled. They could sustain their business without us at all. But if we can co-exist, why not? It's until something gets so bad we can't co-exist anymore.. and that's what this is about. Making it so we can co-exist. But don't be fooled into thinking they can't live without us, because they can.
 
pz

pz

Active Member
Zigge said:
So apparently SOE is going to start to hunt down botters now. A friend of mine got contacted by a gm yesterday, he said that they are investigating more thorough bot activity on the servers. And most likely ban people getting caught. This was on Splitpaw server, but heard from others that more servers will have the same attention. Has any of you guys heard anything?
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a friend of mine told me he got contacted by a superduper gm and he said stuff. most likely. i also heard it about other servers.
 
pz

pz

Active Member
my input was to mock the original post, since it had zero (0) actual information. i'll try to be more obvious next time.
 
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knucklz79

Member
Hmm sounds like a friend that's trying to scare you, does your friend bot? Something tells me that he may know that you bot and may just be messing with you. I enjoy botting, I've been using eq2bot and craft on and off since well before rok i believe. I have never been contacted or approached by any GM's. The reason I say this is because this community has been around for awhile and the main stream developers are still here. If i was managing an MMO i wouldn't waste the time on trying to "hunt" botters when they're are plenty of players that want to do that and will report you. So i would let my playerbase report the bot activity.
 
appleuser

appleuser

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Tbh some of the asshats on Splitpaw are so blatant about the fact that use ISX, and sell loot for plat to fund their gametime, they deserve to get banned...
 
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amyglyn

Active Member
At this point, it seems like the biggest thing is:

1. Don't AFK play.
2. Don't AFK play in contested areas.
3. Don't play in contested areas.
4. Don't be a jerk.

No one is going to give two craps if you are going through the COE signature quest with your group on auto follow. I've been gone for ages, but I saw at least half a dozen people doing that when I was going through the COE sig line. No one cares (why in the world would they?) I don't think SOE cares, either, honestly. Obviously don't go talking about what you do in game chat or anything, though. If people ever ask, just stick with an easy consistent story ("i just use auto follow and then I use input director and make some in game macros and use the numpad to hit them" etc). If friends want to discuss it you do it out of game. No one is going to care that you are killing stuff in a raid zone, either. It's not like you are making it harder for other people to get into a raid group (quite the opposite and guilds right now are so starved for people that yeah...)

I don't SLR but unless you are a jerk I doubt anyone really cares if you do. I stay on the safe side and don't...there's enough stuff to sell on the broker that it isn't worth the point/time anyway. Plus sometimes drama might ensue, and drama is lame.

If you AFK grind somewhere, make damn sure you are doing it in an instance and on a character people aren't going to talk to. That's something SOE will care about, and something other players will care about, and you have only yourself to blame if you get banned.

If you are going to AFK kill stuff in a contested zone that other people want to play in, I hope you get caught and banned ASAP so that you aren't giving everyone else a bad name and bringing attention to the botting community.

Clefts seems to be a huge deal. It's not people using ISX, either, from what I've heard about. People are afk and using an elite merc. The merc kills the named and then the people must just have some sort of macro set up that simply right clicks and loots the mob. They don't even fight so I don't think it's people using the ISX software at all (most likely they are cheap asses and wouldn't want to pay for it, anyway). Then people cry about it (rightfully so) on the official forums and it brings attention to everyone. What's really funny is on the official forums right now, in the thread about this, most people are making a distinction between afk spawn campers and people who use software to help play their group non-afk. That's a good sign. I think if SOE cracked down hard on regular bots, half the troubs in the raiding guilds out there would be gone overnight, lol.
 
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balzz

Member
Not that I know sony's intentions or if this has been said already but if you are killing stuff in instances without selling it why the hell would sony care. I'm essentially paying for 12 subscriptions and 12 expansions (and 12 reforge expansions, damn you sony) and I'm literally not harming a single other persons game play. Seems like a huge win for sony to just ignore it as long as you dont take contested mobs.
 
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blackee

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balzz said:
Not that I know sony's intentions or if this has been said already but if you are killing stuff in instances without selling it why the hell would sony care. I'm essentially paying for 12 subscriptions and 12 expansions (and 12 reforge expansions, damn you sony) and I'm literally not harming a single other persons game play. Seems like a huge win for sony to just ignore it as long as you dont take contested mobs.
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I was /petitioned by a brawler in Clefts Heroic about 3 weeks ago. A GM ported my 3 toons "above" the zone and waited for me to notice. I did. He said someone /petitioned me for AFK botting. I said, "humph, whatever". He said, just make sure i am at my computer at all times and left. No harm, no fowl. I then sent a tell to the guy who i thought /petitioned me, and he said "sorry, i thought you were afk botting a named." I said, "humph, whatever" and moved on.

Point being, if you are at your computer and someone /petitions, you should be alright IMO.
 
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Eyedea

Active Member
blackee said:
I was /petitioned by a brawler in Clefts Heroic about 3 weeks ago. A GM ported my 3 toons "above" the zone and waited for me to notice. I did. He said someone /petitioned me for AFK botting. I said, "humph, whatever". He said, just make sure i am at my computer at all times and left. No harm, no fowl. I then sent a tell to the guy who i thought /petitioned me, and he said "sorry, i thought you were afk botting a named." I said, "humph, whatever" and moved on.

Point being, if you are at your computer and someone /petitions, you should be alright IMO.
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Or just stay out of contested zones.... humph, whatever.
 
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lhucian

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Using some tactics I learned while playing eve...


Be a known afk'er. Keep your toons logged in. have them in different instances. For long durations. The idea is to build up a server log reputation of extended hours of afk doing nothing. Switch which toons you group with.


Personally I use characters I have placed in other guilds. Where in all guilds I have a frequent "afk'er" rep. But not as a botter rep because they don't know my other 5 logged in characters.

In eve you play like people might/are spy(ing) on you.

Fact is.. in eq2 people ARE spying on you.
So protect yourself. Here's an example of a six-man makeup....


You tell me what's wrong with this:
George 90sk
Georgetwo 90mystic
Georgeagain 90 BL
Georgeistoofuckingstupid Tohavemorenames 90dirge
Asdfgeorge Sttillthinkshescreative 90 illy
Georgex Hasntcomeupwithanothernameyet 90 dueche (yes a lvl 90 dueche.. new class.... for this guy)


For this example the above names are all in the same guild all owned by a toon named georgy the guilds name is Imusing I S X


Now tell me where this guy fucked up at. If you can spot it. You are one more step to being a ninja.

If I see this (and I have in the past) I will report you, for being too stupid to bot.
 
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lhucian

Well-Known Member
I think that deserves a bump ;-)

A little tidbit of some irl info on me. Still related.

I work graveyard shift at a gas station, when I was underage I stayed where I was and paid someone to get a beer for me.

Kids today are freekin stupid they don't even try anymore...
So like 11 kids came in, 2 cars. One guy was of age. I asked to see everyones I.d. not a new law in texas... hell it was the same when I was young. That was 15yrs ago. "I cannot knowing contribute to a minor." Also directly trnalsates as if 12 people come in (assuming 1 party) I card 12 people for that 1 item.

It is a fact, if your doing something wrong BE SMART about it.
I got navy stories related to that too.

That was the Sun and Moon guild on the Unrest server. Forgot his characters names (asian guild) and names were random characters like bxkdfe and such




Don't be stupid, be a ninja ;-)
(But not like steven segal... when wooden floors cry at your approach cuz your too fat you can't be a ninja lol)
 
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Sam1314

Member
This thread is somewhat paranoid. It has been mentioned that IsBoxer is not against the Eula. I used to run IsBoxer with a sidewinder keyboard and a Razer naga mouse and I ran 6 toons quite happily doing this. This is not against the EULA, you aren't really cheating doing this. The difference between my setup then to my setup now if looked at from another persons perspective? Nothing, it looks the same. So sure don't be a jackass and tell everyone you have a bot running but to be honest it takes someone who runs a bot to see a bot running. Boxing isn't illegal remember.
 
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