Cast Stackers

[ZeroSum]

Many of us, Like me, are Veterans to the game but have only played 1-2 class's and have mastered those classes, so stack building is essentially minor tweaking. The only drawback is the other class's we bring up to the table we have no clue as to how to set them up or get them doing optimal dps/ heals/ ect..
Then there is the Alt Junkies who have 20 Alts that play them efficiently but mastered none of the class's per say. Then there is the Hardcore Lifers who have mastered Every Class in the Game.
With all these different playstyles we could share idea's / cast stacks / Group Builds, Help build strengths where others need improvements. Ive looked around on the forums and didn't see an actual Section just for Cast stack sharing. Another idea would be a Load / Export stack option like eq2's AA builds.

 

[Cheesy]

https://forums.ogregaming.com/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=367430f4cd1db50a625f198206584514

But people don't tend to share profiles much any more for some reason.

 

[bjcasey]

https://forums.ogregaming.com/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=367430f4cd1db50a625f198206584514

But people don't tend to share profiles much any more for some reason.

They get constantly harassed and in some cases threatened if they don't update it weekly. Sharing a profile isn't worth the hassle.

 

[Eyedea]

People want the reward but don't want to put in the time or effort required. I've got no issues helping people get better, but you'd be surprised the sheer number of people who message me for help or advise then give 15 reasons why they don't do it or somebody they know said to do it another way.

You also have to account for group makeup, gear level, aa spec's, etc.

Have you read through the wiki, what the tabs mean, how and in what order the bot processes the different items? It has a ton of info! You can also join IRC, just come in with some thick skin.

All that being said what are your questions?

 

[North101]

Eyedea is right, there are people out there who are willing to share information, but you also have to show that you are willing to do the work. It's not bullshit when people say they have spent hours grinding dummies optimizing theeir caststacks, and it's also true that there are people who will absolutely demand to have profiles shared. You made an great respectful post on this issue seeking information, now my advice is to post up a troubling caststack, explain what you are trying to do and have the community help you tweak it. I for one would love to help and also to learn so take the stage Zero..you have support out here.

North

 

[ZeroSum]

i kinda gave up, much more negativity involved in this than i realized. So basically i just got with friends of mine and got specific information starting with gear / reforging / cast order based on priority>rotation>and booster timing (charms ect..) so far i have gotten someone to help with Swashy, Dirge, Shadowknight, and Berzerker. im trying to get a better constant chain heal with the Inquisitor that works better for keeping caster alive. working on lvling up some other classes as well. Once i get the cast Stacks Sorted and Tweaked out a little better ill post them if anything to let someone pick me apart on them...if negativity is the only brain function gotta do somthing to motivate the use of it.

 

[ZeroSum]

Im still in great need of inquisitor, Fury, Assassin and Beastlord<-(totally lost on this one)

 

[appleuser]

To be honest the profiles and cast stacks that come pre loaded with Ogre will do the job if your toons are properly specced, geared and adorned. Start with them and tweak cast stacks as you get more familiar with the classes and encounters. When you're undergeared make sure everyone is using debuffs for example.

 

[ZeroSum]

Yeah my first main group build is =: SK, INQ, ASSASSIN, Ranger, Beastlord, Dirge / working on a Caster build i have an illy, Warlock, Conj (CoH-Stoneskins)
don't have a trouby or Swashy yet but those are what i am considering the most with what i already have.

Update-
okay i will admit i have very little knowledge of the beastlord but after playing around with the Dissonance and cast order i found that building up and blowing the whole load is only good for spike dmg and agro pulling and to be honest dps drops off after that and is hard to maintain. I have found that if i build up and space out the primal's Dps goes way up and i can maintain dissonance Way better. So now its just alot of adjusting and small tweaks.

Finally got the Inquisitor Tweaked out a little better Duplicated the default and made some minor adjustments. Seems to hold up in intense conditions alot better.

The Assassin on the other hand is a nightmare for me.
i built 2 FFA chains -a small IPS chain and a large PFT Chain.
The IPS chain follows up with the 30second reset Stealth abilities.
then i go back into bleeds, oneshot stealth's (one shot stealth+ambush)and Debuffs for the 30second resets.
Then start My PFT Chain when all My stealth's are Up.
(This helps not draw agro but still put up high dps output)
This Creates a conflict in aspect of the PFT Chain when it recycles, because IPS abilities try to cycle back through and some of those abilities are not reset when the PFT chain hits.
Another thing im having to work out is to Run the Big PFT Chain with all my stealths (and have them ready to use) when assassinate becomes available this would be more ideal.
i noticed the precast says do not use stealths in this window....is there a reason behind this.
If im misunderstanding how the CastStacking tool works please by all means rip away, im here to learn.

 

[Eyedea]

I've been tossing gear on my beastlord, mostly because I want to see if they can put up the numbers that people claim. (I've yet to see any impressive numbers on the official forums so I'm pessimistic) but I've finally gotten him to an acceptable level of entry gear. My next step is to sit down and update my CS. I've not touched the beastlord since CoE, so my profile is pre v17. Hopefully I can still scan through and rebuild one.

Assassins can put up good numbers, they usually require external scripts for their chains. Rangers are quite a bit easier for bottling unless you can get ahold of some.

 

[Kannkor]

i noticed the precast says do not use stealths in this window....is there a reason behind this.

Because pre/post tabs simply "click" the spell, so to speak. It doesn't check range, it doesn't check if you need to be invis, if you are invis etc. It basically says "Can I click this? If yes - click. If no skip"

 

[ClassicCoke]

For my assassin, I set up a large pre/post cast chain completely based around just IPS that has worked well for me.

It goes something like....

Pre Torture
Pre Exacting
Pre Deadly Focus
Pre Frontload
Pre Shadow
Pre Dragon Claws
Pre PFT
Pre ShadowStep
Pre Dagger Storm
Pre Expolit Weakness
Pre Nightblade
Pre Stalk
Pre Assassinate
IPS
Post Assassinate
Post Mortal Blade
Post Eviscerate
Post Jugular Slice
Post Ambush
Post Massacre
Post Stealth Assault
Post Fatal Followup
Post Sinister Strike
Post Nightshade
Post Head Shot
Post Spine Shot


I didn't think it would work as well as it does, but so far so good. My FF damage has increased well significantly as well my Shadow damage has gone up too. The reuse timers for most of this line up really well.

I tried some with Fatal Combination and swapping ranged/melee attacks to trigger and it works, but it wasn't worth it. The big problem seems to be keeping the bot at the correct distance to trigger both melee and ranged attacks.

One problem I've seen is the Exploit Weakness won't fire on its own in the middle of this run unfortunately, which is why I have it in there. I don't like it, but its the best I can come up with

I've also been very, very tempted to try to start learning the Lavish code to write a routine to do this too, but just haven't had the free time to start learning it.

ClassicCoke

 

[Loppy]

At the moment for heroics (other than MC) I'm running with:
Guardian
Brigand
Assassin
Dirge
Coercer
Mystic

I'm having terrible trouble getting my assass to cast chains and it never seems to complete them. Its really frustrating as the toons only doing a fraction of its potential DPS.

Thanks for the pre/post idea but I still cannot get a decent chain to work, saying that I'm not very good at Ogre so could have easily have set it up wrong.

What I've done for pre cast as an example is:
Torture | Exacting
Exacting | Deadly focus
Deadly Focus | Frontload
Etc

Likewise for the post cast:
Assassinate | IPS
Mortal Blade | Assassinate
Eviscerate | Mortal Blade
Etc

Any help with this would be great, not asking for a profile just some guidance on how to get the assassin to cast uninterrupted chains.

Otherwise the Brig/Assass will get the chop and I'll bring in my Ranger/Swashy I have the assass cloak so I really want to get this toon to work though.

Thanks

 

[Cheesy]

My assassin runs as follows;

With an edited export file, removing the stealth requirement from Evisc/Mortal/Massacre/Assassinate/Jugular.

Export uploaded - Needs changing back to an .xml file, and renaming to assassin_AbilityExport.xml

Feel free to try it, I find it works well 95% of the time.

 

[Loppy]

Ahh thanks so much cheesy, I'll give that a try straight away I owe you one!

Edit: Its working like a dream. Certainly the parse is looking a lot better on a training dummy. Thanks again!

 

[ClassicCoke]

For mine,

The only skill you want in your cast stack is IPS, leave the others out completely and let them just be cast by the Pre/Post casts. The order of the Pre/Post casts is very important as it appears to follow a top down order. As long as the bot can get in melee range behind the mob, the chain has been working great for me. Roughly, everything with a 30s+ delay is in that Cast Stack

Also, make sure IPS and Concealment is not in your Settings Stealth box. You don't want it being cast before something else.

I think I have Ambush and Nightblade in my Cast Stack since their reuse timers are so low.

I'll see if I can post screenshots later.

ClassicCoke

 

[ZeroSum]

My assassin runs as follows;


With an edited export file, removing the stealth requirement from Evisc/Mortal/Massacre/Assassinate/Jugular.

Export uploaded - Needs changing back to an .xml file, and renaming to assassin_AbilityExport.xml

Feel free to try it, I find it works well 95% of the time.

Couldn't Figure this out, converted it to xml droped it in folder, when i did finally get it to load it was blank. Program wouldn't read it so i compared it with the original and formatting looks totally different. This will Take forever trying to resort and get things where it should be.

 

[ZeroSum]

Ahh thanks so much cheesy, I'll give that a try straight away I owe you one!

Edit: Its working like a dream. Certainly the parse is looking a lot better on a training dummy. Thanks again![

errr i tried several methods and couldn't get it to do anything.