Security Changes & Bot Detection from FanFest

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Majek2

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More importantly, could this end life as we know it. I only use this on two characters to supplement a little extra income, granted, i am no where near the heavy user as many, but a banning of both of those characters would put a serious dent in my game play. I do not do anything on my main.

Does anyone have any ideas about how they discussed (or lack of discussion in detail) as to how they can tell if a client is being manipulated? Should we seriously curtail our usage for the time being until the sky falls? What about using the isxeve for simple auto piloting a freighter with the warp to zero ability?

I love the program and for someone with two jobs and other responsibilities this has made my game play much more enjoyable due to not being able to devote that time to tedious tasks. The only time I really use this program is for the said 2 miners while i sleep for only 6-8hrs at a time when I actually am home and have a few hours to wind down for the day.
 
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GliderPro

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Majek just so you are aware not botting on your main will not save it. If you have ever logged into your main from the same machine as your bots or sent ISK between the accounts it will be banned along with your bot accounts.
 
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LRonSmith

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Thank you very much Defectuous for linking that video. It looks like CCP also published a more complete version of that presentation in 720p as youtube video mDSNd_w86Hw.

Based on the presentation I believe the following to be true.

In 9/2010 CCP hired a security expert Sreegs who is familiar with forensics and incident response. Since then two things have happened. The first is the hiring of a security expert Pollux in 01/2011 who is a developer specializing in malware analysis. The second is the formation of a security task force. This task force is a group of six CCP employees that represent security, security development, design, customer support, quality assurance, and game development.

Streegs has likely been given the mandate of enforcing the EULA. He can be assumed to view touching the Eve client for any game play advantage as verboten.

Pollux has likely been tasked with developing a bayesian or other heuristic fraud detection framework that combines three elements. The first being technical detection which he is directly responsible for. This includes any programmatic interaction with the client. The second is is behavioral analysis which is server side log analysis of our Eve client actions. The third is the new "report bot" data point that we as players can submit.

The impression I get is that while data collection and analysis is aggressive, enforcement will be slowly ramped up as confidence in heuristic analysis can be verified.

Personally I am indifferent as long as I can purchase PLEX which consumes less of my time that supervising bots. But I might consolidate my wingman accounts if I cannot use isxeve to control them.
 
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Amadeus

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My best guess is that detection will be based upon things that can be measured. In other words, if it walks like a bot, sounds like a bot, acts like a bot ...then, it must be a bot. So, while it's doubtful that the simple act of using ISXEVE will cause you to be 'detected', acting like a robot (i.e., afk botting) may very well get you banned at some point in the future.

Once more information is available, it will be shared. However, at this point, we have no reason to believe that ISXEVE is causing *anyone* to be suspended.

Otherwise, I would just point out that cheaters almost always get caught eventually. You should never cheat with an account that you cannot bear to lose....it's that simple. For example, if I play EVE on my main account, I may run ISXEVE for helping me automate things *WHILE* I'm playing (warp to zero, helping with salvaging/hauling, managing laser crystals, etc.) ...I would not take a chance on 'afk' botting with that account. This has nothing to do with ISXEVE, it has to do with the fact that if you afk bot, you'll eventually get caught. It's that way in every game.

At this point, this conversation is moot until more information is available. Speculation is silly.
 
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