Named strat question for boxed group

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bob_the_builder

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So I asked on eq2flames and it didnt go to well so I thought I would ask here.

My boxed group is trying to kill the named Cribblekeep in Veksar and as soon as we walk into the room we all die.

I know I must be missing something stupid but I just can't figure it out.

This is the post I made on eq2flames if any one is wanting to read it and let me know.

http://www.eq2flames.com/zones-population/39264-help-cribblekeep-veksar.html

Basically I can't mez him because he still casts his blast and he blasts me faster than I can heal or stun. Really the moment I engage him we die seconds later.

When we first enter the room there are no orbs up but seconds after I engage him with the tank we all insta die.

Just hoping someone has botted him and has a strat I can use. Thanks in adv all

Bob
 
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Kannkor

Kannkor

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Boxed or Botted group? Because that is a huge difference. While I understand not using the word "Bot" on their forums, you should be a little more specific here.

I personally just walk in and kill him, but I duo priests and like to think my group kicks some ass.

If you only have fabled epics and your gear follows suit, you running 1 or 2 healers?
 
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bob_the_builder

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Botted group. My wife plays two and I play two and we have two from guild usually.

Group is fabled epics and all T2 armor.

Just one Inquisitor we play with, Coercer, Wizard, SK as botted. And any two from guild.

Last night when we attempted him again the orbs were not up and he just concussive blasted us then squalled us... instant death and I don't even think I swung my sword at him.

I thought tonight I'd try to mez him first, heal the concussive blast. Move into position and then try him. Ive read some strats about chain stunning him but I unless I change my scripts around to make sure everyone is chain stunning...

*shrug*

Bob
 
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mistrornge

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It can be done. I usually kill 3 of the globes with group. Then back on named. I never bother with one side though.
 
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insanitywiz

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It sounds like your problem is simply gear. I don't even bother killing the globes, just blast away and heal through. I use 2 healers though.
 
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pz

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same really, ive never killed the globes
1 priest, all myth, all t2 gear but tank has 5 or 6 t4 pieces
maybe its the mythicals making all the difference, never stopped to think about it
 
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Plavok

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I also burn through it. SK tank, templar as single healer. I have the coercer on mezz add setting, but the bubbles don't even pop usually.

EDIT: PS, anyone killing T'Lon? I only tried once and my crew got thrown into the pit.
 
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mistrornge

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Not sure if even shadow would work on that. Maybe Pygar has a better idea. Not sure if the bots would be smart enough to "force" themselves to move back onto the diaz while still flying through the air.
 
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Multicharacter

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You basically just have to keep interrupting and stunning him as much as possible. He'll still melee while stunned, and he still has some spells that can go through the stun, but not all his spells can go through the stuns.
 
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mistrornge

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Do you have a special class set up that allows the bots to stun more? Mine do to a certain extent but only the illusionist I think has it built into the class routine.
 
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insanitywiz

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Meh, I usually just burn. I have an SK, Illy, Dirge, Wiz, Mystic and Warden. And for the entire dungeon I run my Illy on DPS mode with no stuns or utilities.
 
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mistrornge

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You manage to take him down before he throws everyone into the lava?
i have full mythed t2 toons and I dont think I could do that.
 
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insanitywiz

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Nah, I missed the derail where we started talking about T'Lon. In RR I run stun mode, and I run a modified eq2bot commander that spams follows on my main toon when I click it on for when I get tossed.
 
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bob_the_builder

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insanitywiz said:
spams follows on my main toon when I click it on for when I get tossed.
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I would love to see the commands to spam follow while in combat. Please post.

I killed Cribblekeep finally with 4 toons all botted (Max T2 armor and fabled epics). I used my coercer to mez the named at start, heal through the first 4k damage thing, then attacked him with my coercer set as Stun. BTW I missed about 6 STA/Health buffs in the first AA setting and added about 600-1k hitpoints for each of my toons by adding them (class AA or something) that might have helped some.

I added a Stun mode for my coercer (along with a on/off for mana cloak and nullify staff and improved AOE and casting order).

I'll post my coercer UI and script here in case anyone wants to look at it or use it.

Bob
 

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mistrornge

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That would be very nice to add to all the bots Kann. Can you post it?
Can that be added as a movement choice in the Main tab for all the eq2bots?
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

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Unfortunately not really. EQ2bot and my bot use a LOT of methods at achieving the same thing. In this case, my movement doesn't really port into that port, same with eq2bot movement doesn't port into mine.
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

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I don't understand why eq2bot doesn't have a setting that never disengages the in-game /follow. If eq2bot had a setting to never turn off the in-game /follow that would be a big help for a lot of fights.
 
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wolfppo

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The healers can be made to do this just put them to pre heal and keep it all up then put % to atack at 0% they will auto follow the whole time and my warden still cures.

I use this alot on the last name in MM.
 
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insanitywiz

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bob_the_builder said:
I would love to see the commands to spam follow while in combat. Please post.
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I'll post when I get back into town, but it just runs a script that spams /follow <target> on whoever I have targeted or the character I have eq2bot commander running on if I don't have a group member targeted. It's one of the things I threw together when I was updating commander to deal with fears and quest updates.
 
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eccentric

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I murder T'Lon in cold blood first pull every time. What I have is a command such that the bot grabs the MT's coordinates one time and then corrects to stay on that static spot. The secret sauce of my idea is that all coordinate correction is done in mid-air and independently of any of my mistakes that shadowing would expose, thus allowing instant healing the very instant the bot lands. And the mob's back is always to the bots.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

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Eccentric code is open source as far as I can tell. However he is one of few that write in .net as opposed to Lavish.
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

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Anyone boxing kurn's tower x1? I'm having a bit of trouble on the first named where I either can't kill fast enough before the adds overwhelm me or I can't seem to kill the adds as they come in without the named wiping to my dps or healer and killing them. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Group Setup:

Guardian - Myth w/ t2 shard gear + trak shield
Templar - Myth with t3 shard gear
Illy - Myth with t3 shard gear
Warlock - no fabled with t1 shard gear
 
wolfppo

wolfppo

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It is a basic tank and spank place all your toons in a boxed in area with backs to the wall then pull mob in close dont let them move at all durring the fight just the mt and it helps to have a mezzer.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

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That's your first problem.. using a Guardian.. :)

I "tank and spanked" all of Kurns group instance. I use 6 toons however and it seems like you only use 4.

Plavok - I don't believe it's a "standalone" module, so it wouldn't work with EQ2bot. It would be the same as trying to use EQ2bot for only it's looting but nothing else.. I don't think it's possible.
 
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Plavok

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So, has anyone written a script yet that acts like Shadow but instead of following a player, it makes sure that the position at the time when the script was started is kept steadily?

IIRC it was said that Shadow would not be able to compensate height movement due to technical limitations?

Thx!
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

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Anyone have suggestions on what zones I should try to do for some fabled gear? Right now I"m working on NHT, which I can clear except for the 4th named that ports.
 
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bob_the_builder

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bjcasey said:
Anyone boxing kurn's tower x1? I'm having a bit of trouble on the first named where I either can't kill fast enough before the adds overwhelm me or I can't seem to kill the adds as they come in without the named wiping to my dps or healer and killing them. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Group Setup:

Guardian - Myth w/ t2 shard gear + trak shield
Templar - Myth with t3 shard gear
Illy - Myth with t3 shard gear
Warlock - no fabled with t1 shard gear
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We just burned him down fast and I agroed the names with AOEs as tank. I turned off AOEs for my WIZ and COERCER and just used AOEs on my tank to grab the add agro. I used Fanatacism to boost re-use speed and I have 5 AA's in my SHD TSO ability for group so we all cast / re-cast super fast, I think we hit 15k dps on him last time I went there.

Hardest part for me was keeping the named in my target window, some reason I kept switching to the adds, maybe its an ability they use *shrug*, I ended up using a macro to target him. Now those Reapers of the Realm.. or whatever the shadow heads are on the 2nd level. GEESH .. they own me and my group (SHD, WIZ, COERCER, INQ as boxed).

Bob
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

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Guess i need to really work on getting my SK up in levels =(. I miss the days where a Guard was a good tank.
 
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HammerFour

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I bot a group of 6 and can usually kill him with one good healer. Sneak just inside the door to Cribblekeep's room, and pile yourselves into the right hand corner just behind the pillar. Make sure that no auto move is on. Pull the named from this spot only. You should be able to take him down no problem without having to kill bubbles. He's far enough away that they don't make a huge impact on the fight.
 
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Multicharacter

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Plavok said:
So, has anyone written a script yet that acts like Shadow but instead of following a player, it makes sure that the position at the time when the script was started is kept steadily?

IIRC it was said that Shadow would not be able to compensate height movement due to technical limitations?

Thx!
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Yeah, in one of my previous posts I posted the code a person could use to always return to the spot they started at when the script ran. (ignoring Y of course)
 
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bob_the_builder

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Multicharacter said:
Yeah, in one of my previous posts I posted the code a person could use to always return to the spot they started at when the script ran. (ignoring Y of course)
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I searched all your posts (advanced, by exact name, by thread) and didn't see anything. Mind re-posting or finding it? Maybe a different logon name?

Bob
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

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insanitywiz said:
Meh, I usually just burn. I have an SK, Illy, Dirge, Wiz, Mystic and Warden. And for the entire dungeon I run my Illy on DPS mode with no stuns or utilities.
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What kind of gear do your toons have? I'm going to be getting a new computer that will allow me to 6 box and I'll have almost an identical setup except I'll have a warlock instead of a wizard.

What zones are you able to clear?
Do you run the standard eq2bot or a customized bot?
 
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yabong

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Last nite I ran the entire dungeon botted with Guardian, Wizard, Dirge, Troub, Illy, and Fury. For Cribble I turned stun on the Illy and burned him down. He AOE us once. Fought him where he stood.

Cribblekeep: (01:36) 1016388 | 10587.38 [Wizzy-Fusion-41647]
Wizzy 490539 | 5109.78 (T2)
Illy 219781 | 2289.39 (T1/2)
Guard 113229 | 1179.47 (T2)
Troub 99876 | 1040.38 (T2)
Dirge 91802 | 956.27 (T2)
Fury 1161 | 12.09 (T4/2)
 
Pygar

Pygar

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bjcasey said:
What zones are you able to clear?
Do you run the standard eq2bot or a customized bot?
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I've cleared all but PoF with eq2bot.

Guardian - T4/Raid Geared
Dirge - T3
Coercer - Mostly instanced gear, only shard gear is t3 shoulders
Defiler - T2
Warden - T2/RoK gear
illy - T2/T3

I have a brig I swap out with the warden when I don't need 2 heals.

I use some movement scripts, and some simple item click scripts for encounters that require them. My group is by no means super high dps by its build, but generally
Guard - 5k
Coercer - 6k
Dirge - 3k
Illy - 4.5k
Brig - 4k

All of which can do better played by hand than botted, but not significantly so, around 20% differential. The group is built around survivability and unlimitted power regen, not a burn group.

By example, this group can kill codexicon while ignoring the script by just buffing/healing thru what kills other groups.
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

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That's good news Pygar. I should be getting my new computer later this week and am looking forward to trying this stuff out.

What kind of movement and clicky scripts are you talking about? Something that you added to eq2botcommander? I've been adding a lot of stuff to my personal commander to make things much easier to do without having to change screens.
 
Pygar

Pygar

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I should have put things in a commander, but I have just small scripts I use for things like repositioning to a homepoint, clicking something at specific times, simple stuff like that.
 
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bob_the_builder

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Pygar said:
I should have put things in a commander, but I have just small scripts I use for things like repositioning to a homepoint, clicking something at specific times, simple stuff like that.
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One man's simple is another man's difficult. No, not wise words from anyone just saying it might be simple for you but difficult for me.

Anything you mind posting? I'd love to see the repositining homepoint stuff.

Bob
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

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bob_the_builder said:
One man's simple is another man's difficult. No, not wise words from anyone just saying it might be simple for you but difficult for me.

Anything you mind posting? I'd love to see the repositining homepoint stuff.

Bob
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I to would like to see the movement items. I have now cleared DF/NHT, EF Instances, and KT x1. NHT I skip the porting drake guy since it's a pain to try to reposition all the bots. Any suggestions for that guy would be great.

Any suggestions on how to handle the movement fights in the CL instances?

Cavern of the Afflicted: The constant moving with the fast respawning mobs.

Halls of the Forsaken: The quick moving during the named fights.

Necrotic Asylum: The last mob with the curse.
 
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mistrornge

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CoA is when the group you are fighting is close to dying move to the next group. The only hard part is getting that first room broken. After you clear it you are home free.
For HoF just keep your bots on melee and move the mob. Your tank will need to keep agro but if you have them meleeing it should be fine. Move from each of the helpful ghost guys and you should be golden.

For the last named fight in NA i would recommend 2 healers if possible. Your healers should do no damage or debuffs (remove DSs). Have group go in and establish agro.
The first healer that is staying in the entire fight will cure curse on themselves immediately on engage (as long as they don't damage the mob they will never get the curse again).
Have the second healer cure the tank. From that point on the first healer will cure all curses on the tank. The second healer will move down and go through the pool and return to the fight. Next time the cure curse comes up the second healer will cure themselves.
All your DPS will need to one at a time move through the pool.
Eventually the tank, both healers, and one DPS will no longer need to go through the pool. However you will need to keep 2 going through the pool continuously until the named is dead (if you have a 6 bot group). Always kill his adds then him.
Hope that helps.
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

ISX Specialist
mistrornge said:
CoA is when the group you are fighting is close to dying move to the next group. The only hard part is getting that first room broken. After you clear it you are home free.
For HoF just keep your bots on melee and move the mob. Your tank will need to keep agro but if you have them meleeing it should be fine. Move from each of the helpful ghost guys and you should be golden.

For the last named fight in NA i would recommend 2 healers if possible. Your healers should do no damage or debuffs (remove DSs). Have group go in and establish agro.
The first healer that is staying in the entire fight will cure curse on themselves immediately on engage (as long as they don't damage the mob they will never get the curse again).
Have the second healer cure the tank. From that point on the first healer will cure all curses on the tank. The second healer will move down and go through the pool and return to the fight. Next time the cure curse comes up the second healer will cure themselves.
All your DPS will need to one at a time move through the pool.
Eventually the tank, both healers, and one DPS will no longer need to go through the pool. However you will need to keep 2 going through the pool continuously until the named is dead (if you have a 6 bot group). Always kill his adds then him.
Hope that helps.
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Thanks for the tips. I'm having a blast and wishing I had gotten the computer setup to allow me to 6 bot sooner.

Current Setup (While I wait for the expansion):

Guardian
Templar
Illy
Dirge
Warlock
Bruiser

Preferred Setup (After Expansion):

Guardian/SK
Templar/Warden
Illy
Dirge
Warlock
Mystic/Swash

What are your tips for the Guk zones? the second void zone (AoB)?
 
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Plavok

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AoB is pretty straight forward.

First named: Spread bots over the clickies, pause bot for pull. On pull, tank is banished, free him, run out, activate bots, burn.

Second named: Clear room of all trash. You can either mezz the named or bypass him. Then position each bot at a cell, convert them into void beasts and stand outside the cell. Once you have them all converted, attack the named and cycle through the aggro between the bots. You might get the occasional casualty.

Rest of the zone is pretty much tank and spank. Manually place the portals at the end named with one char and you're golden.

PS: I'm still hoping to find a solution for T'Lon (Ravenscale). If anyone is willing to share, I would highly appreciate it.
 
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larrydoyle

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Like Pygar, my toons have cleared almost every instance. But there are 2 mobs I've not been able to kill: T'Lon and the porting dragon in NHT. I've seen references to scripts by Eccentric -- "GlassCannon" or something like that -- that have the capability to have toons reposition to a set point, including if they have been moved vertically. I would like to experiment with those scripts, but can't find where to find them. Any clues from someone would be appreciated.

BTW Pygar, your stuff rocks, but some of us don't know enough to program those "simple stuff" scripts for repositioning, clicking, etc. :)
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
Only 2 mobs I haven't been able to 6 bot man.. Varsoon in PoF, and the end boss in one of the Guk zones. The one where you have the 4 statues, and someone has to use the powder shit to damage him.
Mind you, I could definitely kill him now.. Varsoon and I have a date at some point, I may try to clear those 2 before exp..
 
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larrydoyle

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Cool .. so how are you dealing with things like T'Lon throwback or having all toons click the floor simultaneously? Are you also writing your own scripts, or do you have some other strategy we've not discussed?
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
Write my own scripts..

T'Lon - I just make all my toons melee. My melee movement is a separate thread (runs at the same time as the bot) so the instant they are out of melee range, they are moving back into melee range.

Clicking the "floor" - Not sure what mob you mean, unless you mean Mald(something) Exeter - If so yes I have a button (like eq2botcommander) that relays it to everyone in the group.
 
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Plavok

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How do you handle the book mobs in PoF? Tanking done by bot and the books by hand? Or do you have a script that handles the book?
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
Books are scripted (in the end it's just targeting a book if you don't have one).
I semi-bot my tank, meaning the bot controls all in-combat items, I just do the movement/pulling on the tank.

I heard if you kill 1 of the 3 fast enough, you don't have to do books at all.. But I've never tried it since I have an easy enough way of doing it.
 
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larrydoyle

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It would be appreciated (and interesting from a learning perspective) if you and Pygar could share some of your scripts for these special situations. At this point before the expansion, it would help some of us complete the final fights we've not been able to do with the existing EQ2BOT functionality, and not quite sure why it would negatively affect you to share them.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
I wish it were that simple...

I wrote my own bot from scratch, and just kept adding to it and adding to it.. The "main" bot file is over 7000 lines, and I think it totals around 20-30 files in total (not including spell lists and profile saves). These "special" functions, like the books, is interwined with a ton of code.

In short, if I have a checkbox selected, it simply targets books. The bot then takes care of the rest (kill routines, loot routines, are all the same).

Same with all my movement threads etc. They all work on variables and situations used by my bot.

Semi related, my bot isn't anything like eq2bot. They work completely different. IMO, neither one is "better", both have their pros and both have their cons. One huge con for mine, is it would take your average joe around 2 hours to setup your toon the first time you loaded the bot before you could use it. That's "support" I'm not willing to provide at this time.

I'm more than willing to help people write code snippits if they wish, but I'll provide support for YOU writing it..
 
bjcasey

bjcasey

ISX Specialist
Pygar and others (excluding Kannkor):

How do you guys kill the book room in PoF?

6 box WOE? How far do you get?

6 box PR?

I've been doing really well so far with one healer and as soon as the expansion hits I'm transfering my mystic over so i'll have a similar setup to pygar.
 
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Kevinshp

Kevinshp

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Woe can clear it
PR distroy it
Havnt tryed POF yet.

Guardian mystic inquz dirge swashy coercer
 
wolfppo

wolfppo

Active Member
There is a person on my server that runs a full raid with isx and has cleared all of labs easy mode palace easy mode and 3 names in underfoot debts.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
wolfppo said:
There is a person on my server that runs a full raid with isx and has cleared all of labs easy mode palace easy mode and 3 names in underfoot debts.
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If he runs a full raid of 24, he should be ashamed he is only killing that much.
 
wolfppo

wolfppo

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lol true it is on bazaar server and they sell most of the gear and seals on live gamer makes alot of rl cash a few K a month.
 
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