Starting Group Progression

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davebob35

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I have left EQ2 but now am seriously considering coming back and creating a bot group. My question is where to start getting gear. My group will be a SK, Inq, Lock, Illy, Troub, and Def. I am currently leveling them now and should be at lvl 90 in a few days. Where should I look to begin getting them gear? I have looked in other threads and did find the following progression:

Heroic progression goes like this:

Contested Skyshrine --> Covenant District --> Lyceum --> Dracur Prime --> Underdepths

My bet this is for an established group. I will just beginning will crappy gear. I intend to use OgreBot with this group. Any and all help is appreciated. If I have left out anything let me know. I could be over looking something as I am just beginning.

Thanks
 
battleaxe

battleaxe

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Wakening Lands quest gear is feasible at 90, even with pre-velious gear and gets you to the point of being able to do contested Skyshrine in your chart above. I'd wait till 92/320 before moving beyond that.
 
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yabong

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battleaxe said:
Wakening Lands quest gear is feasible at 90, even with pre-velious gear and gets you to the point of being able to do contested Skyshrine in your chart above. I'd wait till 92/320 before moving beyond that.
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AA is where you'll probably benefit the most IMHO. Gear comes as you progress. Also rinse/repeat instances for shards eventually needed for adornments.


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Cheers!!
 
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davebob35

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Is it possible to do the quests to get the mythical weapon, the raid version as it is called on the wikis, using the group or do I need to be in a true raid. Not sure with the new gear that comes from Skyshrine. Or is it even worth doing with the new weapons from the Skyshrine Heroic instances. Thanks for all the help.
 
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bob_the_builder

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Speaking of progression... I need some red adorns .. I've one group...

Where should I go try to get red adorns; the Kael raid zone? What about x2 zones; any drop red adorns?
 
Kevinshp

Kevinshp

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bob_the_builder said:
Speaking of progression... I need some red adorns .. I've one group...

Where should I go try to get red adorns; the Kael raid zone? What about x2 zones; any drop red adorns?
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Depends on what reds your after the drop ones or the faction ones. The x4 zones are where the adorns ate dropped. Hall is a good place because the final boss drops two real good ones. Split second redemption and rime strike also has a chance to drop a nice mount. If you want faction ones then yes Tofs and the drunder x2 are great for shards.
 
tarbasch

tarbasch

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With mostly all my gear being replaced by the new SS faction stuff, where are u guys getting red slots from? Just the new SS x4 raids? How hard are those to 1 or 2 group? I haven't seen a SS raid mob thread yet :)
 
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insanitywiz

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With a halfway decent group, you can farm trash in 2 zones for some gear. With a three quarters decent x2, you can kill several named easy.
 
tarbasch

tarbasch

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Made it to the first named in UD pretty easy last night (1 group) and it was going well till i got some red text about the tank about to die unless something, i forget it was late, and i died haha.
 
Kevinshp

Kevinshp

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tarbasch said:
Made it to the first named in UD pretty easy last night (1 group) and it was going well till i got some red text about the tank about to die unless something, i forget it was late, and i died haha.
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Yes when he says that you have to switch his aggro if you have a monk you can FD or have a second tank for that fight.
 
tarbasch

tarbasch

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How long do I need to switch his agro for? and should I kill the 2 adds or ignore them?
The only strats I can find are some bad you tube vids haha.
 
tarbasch

tarbasch

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Thanks for the info, I am not in a raiding guild so I need to get all the strats on the mobs that I cant figure out :)
I'm working on gearing my 2nd group now so hopefully will try this soon, thanks again.
 
Kevinshp

Kevinshp

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tarbasch said:
Thanks for the info, I am not in a raiding guild so I need to get all the strats on the mobs that I cant figure out :)
I'm working on gearing my 2nd group now so hopefully will try this soon, thanks again.
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If your using ogre and have a monk he will fd if he has aggro on red
 
TheHaydens

TheHaydens

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tarbasch said:
Nice, I will be using a SK though as my off tank, does it work with them too?
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I have a SK as main tank, his "blood siphon" + "Divine Aura" is amazing for this xpack and really puts him equal to other tanks.. Granted a Guardian is still best imo, my offtank group for my raid bot'ing is currently a Guard, but will change to MT once that group / Guardian gets more gear..

But SK is great for that red text aggro switch, his DA lasts for the entire duration of you having to tank, than the 70k blood siphon lasts for next time than alternate, SK doesn't even need a healer if done correctly!!
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
TheHaydens said:
I have a SK as main tank, his "blood siphon" + "Divine Aura" is amazing for this xpack and really puts him equal to other tanks.. Granted a Guardian is still best imo, my offtank group for my raid bot'ing is currently a Guard, but will change to MT once that group / Guardian gets more gear..

But SK is great for that red text aggro switch, his DA lasts for the entire duration of you having to tank, than the 70k blood siphon lasts for next time than alternate, SK doesn't even need a healer if done correctly!!
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That right there makes me discredit almost every post from you.

There's 3 tanks worth using right now for tanking. Monk, Bruiser, and Guardian. Unfortunately the other 3 just fall short, way short.

Unless you're just farming easy stuff all day long, I'm sure they all seem "equal". Go try progression mobs, and keep going until you hit a wall. You'll very quickly see why SKs fall short.

SKs had their day, their day has come and gone. If you don't want to move on, that's fine, you don't have too... but don't try to suck people over to the dark side!

Here is a very brief list.. what makes those 3 far superior?
1) Stoneskins on LOW cool downs. (Guardian #1).
2) Death prevents (Brawlers) - Up nearly 50% of the time. While I'm sure you're thinking you have blood letter, that's great until it's gone, then you're fucked until you die.
3) Temp buffs - SKs get 2. Monks get 12, yes, 12. Guardians have a ton also.
4) Avoidance - Brawlers win hands down. Mobs right now are tuned to 1 shot (which is retarded, but that's beside the point). Brawlers avoid more attacks, so take less damage.
5) Red text - You NEED stoneskins or death prevents, period. While yes, there are plenty of easy mobs with red text that you can just run away from etc. But on a progression mob, you don't want to be running your mob all over the place and having him get too close to the raid. (A lot less of these in skyshrine).

Anyways. Classes come and go, it's up to you if you want to change every time a class becomes OP or UP.
 
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Tantroth

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I don't know that I'd go that far myself, I tank as an SK on raids without any problems usually. Granted, there are some where I can't handle the spikes, but I wouldn't say SK's are horrible now. The Guardians for sure are better though, and since I haven't run across a competent brawler yet I can't really make a comparison there. I simply don't see the point to making a new tank when the class balance changes every so often when my current tank works fine in regular groups and reasonably well in raids.
 
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tarbasch

tarbasch

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That's the thing I'm not switching classes when something changes, and I agree about those 3 being the best tanks, however with my zerker I have not really had any issues with group progression and even before patch 63 I was starting to clear some raid mobs so having a zerker tank hasn't seemed to cripple me at all :)
And as far as the SK, for the brief mount of time he will need to tank things I should be ok, but I also run 2 healers, 4 when I play 2 groups which is huge.
 
TheHaydens

TheHaydens

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Kannkor said:
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

That right there makes me discredit almost every post from you.

There's 3 tanks worth using right now for tanking. Monk, Bruiser, and Guardian. Unfortunately the other 3 just fall short, way short.

Unless you're just farming easy stuff all day long, I'm sure they all seem "equal". Go try progression mobs, and keep going until you hit a wall. You'll very quickly see why SKs fall short.

SKs had their day, their day has come and gone. If you don't want to move on, that's fine, you don't have too... but don't try to suck people over to the dark side!

Here is a very brief list.. what makes those 3 far superior?
1) Stoneskins on LOW cool downs. (Guardian #1).
2) Death prevents (Brawlers) - Up nearly 50% of the time. While I'm sure you're thinking you have blood letter, that's great until it's gone, then you're fucked until you die.
3) Temp buffs - SKs get 2. Monks get 12, yes, 12. Guardians have a ton also.
4) Avoidance - Brawlers win hands down. Mobs right now are tuned to 1 shot (which is retarded, but that's beside the point). Brawlers avoid more attacks, so take less damage.
5) Red text - You NEED stoneskins or death prevents, period. While yes, there are plenty of easy mobs with red text that you can just run away from etc. But on a progression mob, you don't want to be running your mob all over the place and having him get too close to the raid. (A lot less of these in skyshrine).

Anyways. Classes come and go, it's up to you if you want to change every time a class becomes OP or UP.
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Not sure why the attitude, but if you notice I do run with a 2-3 groups when I roll out in raids, and yes I did mention I am currently switching the "sk group" in for the "Guard" once he is more geared, because the SK abilities make it perfect to handle most of the SS scripts that require multiple tanks with weak healers supporting...
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
TheHaydens said:
Not sure why the attitude, but if you notice I do run with a 2-3 groups when I roll out in raids, and yes I did mention I am currently switching the "sk group" in for the "Guard" once he is more geared, because the SK abilities make it perfect to handle most of the SS scripts that require multiple tanks with weak healers supporting...
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I wasn't really being aggressive... Although it certainly came off more so than I had intended.
 
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eddie43302

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TheHaydens said:
Not sure why the attitude, but if you notice I do run with a 2-3 groups when I roll out in raids, and yes I did mention I am currently switching the "sk group" in for the "Guard" once he is more geared, because the SK abilities make it perfect to handle most of the SS scripts that require multiple tanks with weak healers supporting...
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It might be your sig.. lol... .. but i dont care what any fucking tool says..ive killed most mobs in this game and yes even all skyshrine stuff and some hardmode drunder.. and btw i tanked them all with a pally... learn to play.. you dont need no special class just the ability to play a game..

Anyway im out moving... sold my 18 accounts .. and cancelled all my bot software im done with gaming its time to grow up..
 
TheHaydens

TheHaydens

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eddie43302 said:
It might be your sig.. lol... .. but i dont care what any fucking tool says..ive killed most mobs in this game and yes even all skyshrine stuff and some hardmode drunder.. and btw i tanked them all with a pally... learn to play.. you dont need no special class just the ability to play a game..

Anyway im out moving... sold my 18 accounts .. and cancelled all my bot software im done with gaming its time to grow up..
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I'm lost and confused at how this convo got derailed... lol

HELP!!!!!
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
eddie43302 said:
It might be your sig.. lol... .. but i dont care what any fucking tool says..ive killed most mobs in this game and yes even all skyshrine stuff and some hardmode drunder.. and btw i tanked them all with a pally... learn to play.. you dont need no special class just the ability to play a game..

Anyway im out moving... sold my 18 accounts .. and cancelled all my bot software im done with gaming its time to grow up..
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It has nothing to do with his sig. I assume you're referring to him working on eq2bot, or saying it has no subscription. In either case, I support anyones decision to write/update scripts for the community. I've helped MANY people write scripts, even scripts that I have included in the Ogre package. People helped me, so I like to return the favour.

We're going to have to just disagree on "ive killed most mobs in this game", if you haven't been through all of drunder HM, PoW, and skyshrine HM.

Learn to play... that's amusing. You take your pally, I'll take my monk, lets see how survives better, mob for mob until we find a mob one of us can't tank. Does that mean if you die first, you should learn to play? There's such little skill involved in "most" of EQ2. Tanking is a snore fest for most mobs. If red text, stoneskin, otherwise rotation temp buffs. If you're a class that doesn't have temp buffs, then you can afk when they are on cool down. Because really, if you have 2 temp buffs, each with a 2 minute reuse, what is there to learn? The rest is up to your priests.

Ultimately, it comes down to, do you want the one of the best tanks, and have the most success, or do you want to have a tank you prefer, and have a more difficult time? I'm not saying you couldn't do EVERY mob in the game with a pally/sk/zerk tank, but you would need much more gear than one of the other tanks. People ask which tank is the best, I answer.

You've quit the game before, and alway seem to find your way back..

I don't see why you're so upset with me. You went off topic on 1 thread, I told you to keep it on topic, and now you rage at me with every post. None the less, I guess you'll never read this since you're off to grow up.
 
Nuprecon

Nuprecon

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eddie43302 said:
It might be your sig.. lol... .. but i dont care what any fucking tool says..ive killed most mobs in this game and yes even all skyshrine stuff and some hardmode drunder.. and btw i tanked them all with a pally... learn to play.. you dont need no special class just the ability to play a game..

Anyway im out moving... sold my 18 accounts .. and cancelled all my bot software im done with gaming its time to grow up..
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Its funny that you sold all your accounts and don't care about anything, but you are still here posting... Guess its easy to boast on the internet. I'll just go back to my 116 characters now and single group this Drunder thing. Lats.
 
macker0407

macker0407

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The aggressive use of elipses brings a certain amount of correlation to the plate as well.
 
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TheHaydens

TheHaydens

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Quigly4000 said:
looks like eddie is on the official eq2 forums trying to bring attention to this establishment even as we speak. or its just a huge coincidence he is all emo over here talking about quitting and someone else decided to suddenly post about botters today over there.

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=519129
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That may be the same person but more likely probably not. Sadly the reputation of people who "bot" are getting around quick on the servers, I personally came across a whole guild that does it. But I personally believe if you use your bots against computers [PvE] who the hell cares!! It's not damaging the others gameplaym, granted the price of loot drops beign sold will decrease in value and hurt the raids that sell gear but that doesn't cripple the entire economy as a whole.

{{{BUT}}}

If a player uses his bots against players [PvP] that is where I draw the line. I actually pause my bots when I get engaged because I personally believe that could damage the server not to mention people will rage quit and leave the game (Which results in less population) which does have a direct reflection of the economy of EQ2 and it's community that is already a small population.
 
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