trio class recommendations?
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Kannkor
Ogre
Most classes are very close so pick one of the following categories:
Tank (Zerker or SK)
Healer (Eh.. any of the 6 work for a trio)
Bard or enchanter. I personally would use a bard but either would work.
bob_the_builder
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I prefer Inquisitor as healer but I just like the purple plate look with gold boots *winks* and I like Coercer over Troub but yeah either work. I just have a hard time 'still' with botted melee toons. Just never seem to get into a melee position fast enough (when I pull with my SHK I pull 3 or 4 groups so like 12-16 mobs at once) and my melee bots just seem to run around and not do good melee dps. But I digress...
SHK
Troub or Coe
Inq
That's what I do when I just want to play 3 of my toons at once.
Oh and make sure they all start in the same place (like Freeport) ...
Okay. So I have a question about the SK. Why do yall recommend it? From reading around it seems that people/guilds choose guardians as their tanks and I have heard that it is hard to get into a raiding guild with the sk. If I stick with the game I will most likely use the tank as my guild char. What are the pros of going with the sk instead of a guardian?
Kuma
Well-Known Member
I think having at least a Dirge in your first trio group is a good idea. The class will help make up for a lack of 3. The Guardian script is good, and gives you the chance to play the other 2 if you want to learn them as they level. The Warden or Defiler make a good first healer, but like Kannkor said any healer will work.
Kannkor
Ogre
Well.. if you plan to raid that's a whole different story. Trying to raid as a tank is VERY difficult. In the grand scheme of things, most guilds need 2 fighter classes in total. Chances of you getting a MT slot is VERY rare. Do what you want, but if you really want to raid, I'd think of doing it as a non-fighter.
You said to trio also.. so we gave advice on 3 toons, not for raiding.
Kannkor
Ogre
I don't understand why people think because they want to raid, they can't bot...?
Tell you right now, my healer bots are better than 99% of all healers in the game. While a bot can't "predict" what will happen like a human, the bot can react MUCH faster than a human.
I know that a healer bot will heal better than a person could (most times). I usually prefer a botted healer to a human healer because the bot can heal to my specific rules every time it throws a heal. I was saying that I would like to actually play one of my characters for raiding though and in previous games I enjoyed playing the tank. Not that I couldn't raid using a healing script... but I don't like playing healers in general. I am guessing that your comment was directed at my response... but I don't understand what it means really? I was asking about why the recommendation was to use the shadowknight over a guardian? I am new to the game. I didn't mean to insult your choice at botting a healer on a raid? I just don't enjoy watching everyone's health bars.
Rooster
Active Member
trio class
SK
Dirge
Defiler
SK over Guardian any day... SK has MUCH better DPS, and great self-heals.
You still get the plate armor, you're survivability will still be very solid and you won't have trouble holding aggro in a group of 3 you're botting yourself. You'll be able to take down more content with an SK in your group than a guardian, plain and simple.
You could play the SK yourself most of the time, but if you want to raid, you should be able to get a raid spot with the dirge. I'd be amazed if you got a raid spot with your tank (whether guard or SK).
I understand the fun of playing the tank, but I think you'll have more success if you plan to play the tank when botting and the dirge when raiding. Just make sure you know the class before trying to take her out on a raid..
SK
Dirge
Defiler
SK over Guardian any day... SK has MUCH better DPS, and great self-heals.
You still get the plate armor, you're survivability will still be very solid and you won't have trouble holding aggro in a group of 3 you're botting yourself. You'll be able to take down more content with an SK in your group than a guardian, plain and simple.
You could play the SK yourself most of the time, but if you want to raid, you should be able to get a raid spot with the dirge. I'd be amazed if you got a raid spot with your tank (whether guard or SK).
I understand the fun of playing the tank, but I think you'll have more success if you plan to play the tank when botting and the dirge when raiding. Just make sure you know the class before trying to take her out on a raid..
Kannkor
Ogre
Ehh.. you didn't insult me. I was just short on time and was getting to the point. I agree with you, playing a healer (as the only toon) any time would be pretty boring.
As Rooster mentioned, SK over Guardian because of DPS and ability to heal himself (where that doesn't help as much in raids when you are the MT).
I personally perfer Zerker over SK because Zerker has better AE dps (with Myth weapon or Myth Spell), and they have better (IMO) surviiability (Adren + Frenzy = godlike).
Either way, Guardian falls to 3rd (or 4th) place for plate tanks (Pally being the other one).
Okay good. Thanks for all the help =)
Lots of trio's are great, currently playing a dirge, mystic, zerker swapping for a bruiser or playing both.
Done Guardian, SK, Pallie as well.
Tank - Any of the plate class tanks.
Healer - Any can do a decent job, my personal preference is inq (melee/reactives) or mystic (melee/wards), though I have played a warden and templar up as well.
3rd toon - anything, though a coercer / dirge have both been my favorites - a choice of dps/utility or a mixture of both.
-playing my bruiser with his FD has saved me from a wipe more then once when I gotten little pull happy.
Done Guardian, SK, Pallie as well.
Tank - Any of the plate class tanks.
Healer - Any can do a decent job, my personal preference is inq (melee/reactives) or mystic (melee/wards), though I have played a warden and templar up as well.
3rd toon - anything, though a coercer / dirge have both been my favorites - a choice of dps/utility or a mixture of both.
-playing my bruiser with his FD has saved me from a wipe more then once when I gotten little pull happy.
Kannkor
Ogre
Then I'm doing it wrong.
With 100% AE auto attack, and my auto attack doing 50% of my total damage, plus blue AEs, I have yet to see an SK that can do better AE DPS.
Is it possible one is out there? Sure, but I have yet to see it.
Slight deviation from the original topic, but since it was brought up:
I don't think playing a healer is boring when raiding. For anything other than raiding, it can be boring especially in a strong group. Of course, playing a raid tank is even more challenging, but then again it's quite hard to find an open spot as a tank.
And I agree with Kannkor, our Zerker is doing some incredible dps. We don't have an SK to compare it to though.
Anyways, back to the original topic: I prefer having a troubi over a dirge for my SK.
I don't think playing a healer is boring when raiding. For anything other than raiding, it can be boring especially in a strong group. Of course, playing a raid tank is even more challenging, but then again it's quite hard to find an open spot as a tank.
And I agree with Kannkor, our Zerker is doing some incredible dps. We don't have an SK to compare it to though.
Anyways, back to the original topic: I prefer having a troubi over a dirge for my SK.
Are you using the default eq2bot scripts? Because my defiler seems to fail at healing anyone other then the main tank (including itself) and sometimes just stands there not doing a damn thing while the tank dieing!
I think Kannkor uses his own scripts for his accounts. I don't think he uses eq2bot. Thus his scripts are probably pretty well tuned.Are you using the default eq2bot scripts? Because my defiler seems to fail at healing anyone other then the main tank (including itself) and sometimes just stands there not doing a damn thing while the tank dieing!
With an Illy in group, my SK is at 70% AE DPS (40% aa/15% AoI/15% adorns). That as well as 8 (eight) blue AE's. I haven't played a Zerk since TSO but I only remember 3 blues and 1 green. In TSO Zerks were the king of tank AE DPS, wih SF i've certainly seen a difference. Weird thing is, with Battly Frenzy.. our raid Zerk out heals me a lot of the time. Also with AE auto attack, remember it only hits up to 4 mobs and they must be positioned in your 'cone' or whatever.
Sorry for going off topic =(
Sorry for going off topic =(
Kannkor
Ogre
^^^ - This is true. My bot uses an entire different setup than eq2bot, and yea.. any class I play gets that little extra love with my bot
Kannkor
Ogre
In the end, I'm sure we can agree that Zerk and SK are probably the 2 best AE melee classes. You having 70% AE DPS requires you to have an Illy (I'm never with one, but different group setups), and you wasting adornments (wasting/using.. I guess matter of opinion). Zerks have 4.5 blue AE's. 4 that are on a usable reuse timer, and 1 that isn't (it's like 90sec reuse I think).
I disagree with my auto attack only hitting 4 mobs. However once I am done patching, I will test it out and report back my findings with test results.
This "cone" is pretty easy to do.. Having said that, unless there is a difference between Zerk myth AE, and SK AE (melee for both), then the cone is moot, since it affects both equally.
I'll respond once I log in and test on some training dummies, how many I can hit at a time with my raw auto attack.
Kannkor
Ogre
Okay.. My auto attack does indeed only hit 4 mobs.
First picture is how I laid out the dummies, and a mini-window that shows mobs around me, their health, and who they have aggro on. (Which I called OgreOnScreenAssistant).
I placed 8 close together, then sat with auto attack on for a bit (30s, maybe a min?).
Only 4 were hurt.
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Kannkor
Ogre
Sure, it was a very limited test, but to me, it showed 180 degrees in front of you, which isn't a cone IMO.
How I set it up.
Then I stood in the center, just slightly behind the 2 on the sides (so they would be "infront" of me. I was facing the the one on the top.
Results - Front, right, and left one was damaged. One behind me was not harmed.
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As of right now SK's are OP and easy to play. They come with tons of AOE's for killing and holding mobs and are able to heal themselves. You'll have more fun tanking with a SK in your trio and he will bring more damage.
Yeah, dont get me wrong. I'm not debating Zerk's badassness(TM). I was one for a long time. But now I just like the SK more and thats really what it comes down to, preference. I admit, i did think the cone was a little more coney?(Again, TM) rather than just being a 180. I dont really look at my AE Auto Attack adorns as being a waste, I only have them on my DPS gear. Zerk's (Warriors) have always had the upper hand when it comes to mitigation, but since SF was released it is much easier to reach cap. My .2 cents
OP. You will be happy with that setup, DPS will be high as Dirge and Inq's also got a lot of love this xpac. You certainly want to go with a chanter next if you decide to add a 4th toon. Unlimited mana makes pulling sooo much faster.
OP. You will be happy with that setup, DPS will be high as Dirge and Inq's also got a lot of love this xpac. You certainly want to go with a chanter next if you decide to add a 4th toon. Unlimited mana makes pulling sooo much faster.
Sk, troub, inq/mystic
idk what the dirge bot does for lvl 90 dps, but i know the troub one works GREAT, parsed 14k on the spider named in cella and 18k on the trash following that
inquis and mystic = great heals and extra dps (i tend to lean towards mystic for myth clickie tho)
and sk because even if you screw up you can FD the healer and recover from there +deathmarch love that spell
idk what the dirge bot does for lvl 90 dps, but i know the troub one works GREAT, parsed 14k on the spider named in cella and 18k on the trash following that
inquis and mystic = great heals and extra dps (i tend to lean towards mystic for myth clickie tho)
and sk because even if you screw up you can FD the healer and recover from there +deathmarch
love that spellmistrornge
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Uber photoshop skillz Kann
Kannkor
Ogre
Thanks! I worked on that for like 20 minutes!