New 'anti-cheating measures'?

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Multicharacter

Senior Member
After Battlegrounds wasn't working this morning I went onto the forums and found this post:

"Since we've stated in this thread that the Battlegrounds feature is launching on the 23rd with the digital launch, I'm updating here to say that we're actually going to be pushing it back a few days to put a few extra anti-cheating measures in place."

Could they be adding a Warden like system, or some other type of memory check? Anybody seeing anything like that on the test client?
 
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Hendrix

Well-Known Member
Battleground have speed and warp detectors built in. If you do those things then they will broadcast to the whole zone that you are cheating. (This is not a joke)
 
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Multicharacter

Senior Member
wolfppo said:
I doubt it but think it will something centered on BG it's self.
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I did find a post under 'In Testing' where somebody was complaining that everytime they stacked their bard run speed and racial run ability they'd get the message 'Speed mismatch.' and get kicked off. ISXEQ2 doesn't do speed hacking by itself, so if that's what the post about new cheating measures meant then it shouldn't affect us.
 
Pygar

Pygar

EQ2Bot Specialist
Cheating measures will not affect us outside of battlegrounds.

I have already made a post (like 2 months ago) petitioning Amadeus to fully disable ISXEQ2 if your in a battlegrounds zone.

If any of us does things in battlegrounds that provides us an advantage over other players, we will make ourselves a target. I don't trust you assholes to police yourselves, so I've asked Ama to police you for me. =)
 
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Ice

Active Member
Pygar said:
Cheating measures will not affect us outside of battlegrounds.

I have already made a post (like 2 months ago) petitioning Amadeus to fully disable ISXEQ2 if your in a battlegrounds zone.

If any of us does things in battlegrounds that provides us an advantage over other players, we will make ourselves a target. I don't trust you assholes to police yourselves, so I've asked Ama to police you for me. =)
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I think you're right about having Amadeus limit or disable ISXEQ2 in the battlegrounds to prevent unwanted attention. Especially when they first launch since the first few weeks will likely have the most people playing.
-Ice
 
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Multicharacter

Senior Member
Pygar said:
Cheating measures will not affect us outside of battlegrounds.

I have already made a post (like 2 months ago) petitioning Amadeus to fully disable ISXEQ2 if your in a battlegrounds zone.

If any of us does things in battlegrounds that provides us an advantage over other players, we will make ourselves a target. I don't trust you assholes to police yourselves, so I've asked Ama to police you for me. =)
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Makes sense to me.

I think it's a good idea for SOE to watch for teleporters inside the Battleground zones as well - I know I'd hate to be matched with an opposing team that could just warp to our flag, then warp back and score.
 
Pygar

Pygar

EQ2Bot Specialist
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of staging bot fights where my 6 man could fight Kannkor's 6 man and see who's bot wins.

However, like I said, people can't be trusted.
 
Amadeus

Amadeus

The Maestro
Staff member
I will see if I can determine a good way to know if you're in a battleground and then disable most of isxeq2. I might leave a radar though ...simply because I fucking hate pvp and anything to ruin that shit makes me giggle.


(And you can all feel free to post that quote anywhere you want.)
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
Pygar said:
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of staging bot fights where my 6 man could fight Kannkor's 6 man and see who's bot wins.

However, like I said, people can't be trusted.
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What Pygar meant to say..

"I love the idea of staging bot fights where my 6 man could get completely slaughtered to Kannkor's 6 man bot team."
 
Rooster

Rooster

Active Member
I completely agree that we need to keep "under the radar" with our usage, and anyone blatantly AFK botting should be banned.

But I have to wonder what are we trying to stop by disabling this in Battlegrounds? Not speed hacking/warping as that's not in ISXEQ2.

If taking multiple bots into an instance is the concern, then surely disabling autofollow and any movement command would stop that pretty quickly? Is multi-bots the issue?

I'm hoping we may be able to isolate what activity we're trying to prevent, rather than a blanket ban. It would be disappointing to see a total shut-down of ISX in BG if there's a way to stop the "obvious stuff".

Personally I'd like to write a script for my main toon (the only one I'll ever take to BG) to help me time my Stun CAs, self-cure, use emergency abilities if my health drops too low etc... it would be a bit of fun and I don't see the harm.

The extension already works on PVP servers - shouldn't ISXeq2 work the same in BG as it does on PVP servers?
 
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Hendrix

Well-Known Member
The problem is people hate what they see as a perceived advantage. For example, on a pvp server there was a guy 5 boxing and didnt even make it off the newb island before being reported and banned. This caused a HUGE stink not only in what we do but the multiboxing community as a whole. Long story short, not worth it...
 
pz

pz

Active Member
the /real/ problem is this default reaction to /everything/. pretty soon we won't be able to login eq2 with isxeq2 loaded because somebody might do it too many times. won't somebody please stop the silliness before we drown in it?
 
Rooster

Rooster

Active Member
Fair call.

I do think that limiting the use of autofollow & movement would prevent a lot of the issues, but if we need to lose ISXEQ2 on PVP/Battlegrounds to keep the heat off us, then so be it.
 
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Multicharacter

Senior Member
Hendrix said:
The problem is people hate what they see as a perceived advantage. For example, on a pvp server there was a guy 5 boxing and didnt even make it off the newb island before being reported and banned. This caused a HUGE stink not only in what we do but the multiboxing community as a whole. Long story short, not worth it...
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It's started already.

http://tiny.cc/J4GF7
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
I call that a bit different.. lol. That _IS_ cheating. What we do (for the most part) is automation.

Either way.. The idea is to stay under the radar... doing things like that does not keep you under the radar.
 
Zeek

Zeek

Active Member
That particular post was made about the actual bg instance I was in. I had to sit on the flag and keep doing ae knockdown to keep him from even picking up the flag.

The player got 2 teleports with the flag and we still ended up wining...

This is the reason I feel ISXEQ2 should be completely disabled in any shape form or manor in BG's and pvp, it just exposes it to too much unneeded attention.

And I know this was not done using ISXEQ2.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
Zeek said:
That particular post was made about the actual bg instance I was in. I had to sit on the flag and keep doing ae knockdown to keep him from even picking up the flag.

The player got 2 teleports with the flag and we still ended up wining...

This is the reason I feel ISXEQ2 should be completely disabled in any shape form or manor in BG's and pvp, it just exposes it to too much unneeded attention.

And I know this was not done using ISXEQ2.
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I personally don't care. I don't see bots ever doing much in a true PvP environment. If I ever changed my bots to attack players, it would be strictly to have bot fights.

If they keep this BG gear so it's the best in the game (for some pieces) I'll bot BG, but it won't be to kill others, it will be the automation of entering the grounds to be killed and collect my token. Certainly wouldn't do it afk either.
 
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mistrornge

Active Member
How difficult would it be to have "bot fights" against your own group of bots? Thus killing one team and getting the tokens for both groups.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
clogue77 said:
Even if there was you would get voted off by other players and be penalized from entering for a period of time, too many occurrences of this will get you banned from BG's.
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Can't be voted off unless you get what.. 3 votes? So run at least 4 toons (or 6 so you don't piss anyone off).. :)

Although now with enough time passed and more gear found, I'm not sure there is a single piece of BG gear I want.
 
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clogue77

Member
Kannkor said:
Can't be voted off unless you get what.. 3 votes? So run at least 4 toons (or 6 so you don't piss anyone off).. :)

Although now with enough time passed and more gear found, I'm not sure there is a single piece of BG gear I want.
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He/she didn't say how many toons he/she would be using. I was responding to that person's post as noted by the quotes. Even if you run 4 toons or even 6 toons, there is only one type of BG you could get away with that in. The other 2 types will have you getting voted off/banned. In order to get most of the gear/jewelry out of BG's you have to run at least 2 of them. When you can figure out how to afk que that, let me know :yea:
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
clogue77 said:
He/she didn't say how many toons he/she would be using. I was responding to that person's post as noted by the quotes. Even if you run 4 toons or even 6 toons, there is only one type of BG you could get away with that in. The other 2 types will have you getting voted off/banned. In order to get most of the gear/jewelry out of BG's you have to run at least 2 of them. When you can figure out how to afk que that, let me know :yea:
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And why would I let you know? I'm confident to say I could 100% automated BG if I wanted. I have no desire to do BG, botted or for real. There is very little that can't be done with IS/ISXEQ2 if you know what you are doing.
 
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lostsk8r

Active Member
God, that would be amazing..

I've seen some pretty SWEET fabled gear that would be nice for boxing, or even a jump start for gearing up a character to raid.. but after that it would be more so for your box characters to have good gear so you can easily run other instances etc..

the fabled pvp gear is really nice. thanks for the info but with 4 chars the mem leak probably would get me to pretty fast so i try to only run 2 on this computer lately.. (i have access to 8 accounts).

i would be interested in figuring out a way.. I mean after using openbot in wow, I'm very sure you can fully automate pvp, I even used glider and both open and glider for battlegrounds, most people would send me tells saying "thanks for helping me kill that dude!" as if I was a real person..

I even watched the bot in battlegrounds.. just had to map the zone then it worked as if it was a real person, pretty spot on.. and at that point, you're not really hurting the BG cause your bot is actively participating, and when i had the bot play my druid in wow, it actually healed better than i did! there were some really good routines in that bot.. so in reality you could be helping more than you would be if you moped around the grounds yourself unautomated.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
lostsk8r said:
God, that would be amazing..

I've seen some pretty SWEET fabled gear that would be nice for boxing, or even a jump start for gearing up a character to raid.. but after that it would be more so for your box characters to have good gear so you can easily run other instances etc..

the fabled pvp gear is really nice. thanks for the info but with 4 chars the mem leak probably would get me to pretty fast so i try to only run 2 on this computer lately.. (i have access to 8 accounts).

i would be interested in figuring out a way.. I mean after using openbot in wow, I'm very sure you can fully automate pvp, I even used glider and both open and glider for battlegrounds, most people would send me tells saying "thanks for helping me kill that dude!" as if I was a real person..

I even watched the bot in battlegrounds.. just had to map the zone then it worked as if it was a real person, pretty spot on.. and at that point, you're not really hurting the BG cause your bot is actively participating, and when i had the bot play my druid in wow, it actually healed better than i did! there were some really good routines in that bot.. so in reality you could be helping more than you would be if you moped around the grounds yourself unautomated.
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Someone pays me $10,000 and I'll make a bot to own the shit out of PvP with hardcore AI and situations.

For some reason I don't think anyone will take me up on the offer.. :(
 
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clogue77

Member
Kannkor said:
Someone pays me $10,000 and I'll make a bot to own the shit out of PvP with hardcore AI and situations.

For some reason I don't think anyone will take me up on the offer.. :(
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You are totally missing my point. I did not say that BG's could not be botted. My entire response is all centered around losts8r's post about AFK queing bots to get tokens. My responses are directed at that and nothing more. I seriously doubt you can get around 6 players or 18 players not voting you off for AFK queing bots over and over again to get tokens.

Hence my response to 'let me know' when you manage this feat. I personally would not want to know 'how' you did it, just that you have done it so I could say 'kudos'.
 
Kannkor

Kannkor

Ogre
clogue77 said:
I seriously doubt you can get around 6 players or 18 players not voting you off for AFK queing bots over and over again to get tokens.
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Only your own team can vote you off.. so if you took a group of 6 in, you can't be voted off..

This whole conversation is moot anyways, unless someone brings the coin :)
 
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clogue77

Member
Kannkor said:
Only your own team can vote you off.. so if you took a group of 6 in, you can't be voted off..

This whole conversation is moot anyways, unless someone brings the coin :)
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In the 12 man BG's you have 6 others...
In the 24 man BG's you have 18 others...

It only takes 3 votes to get you kicked....

What good is only one Set of tokens going to do you?
 
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lostsk8r

Active Member
I think I know how to bot the queuing based on my wow experience, haha. I did some BGs lastnight, this wizard with fabled was a TANK, he took like zero damage.
 
Pygar

Pygar

EQ2Bot Specialist
No script or function for auto-queuing will be released.

If one does start making it around even via private sharing, I will insure that everything is done to remove the capability.

This is simply the exact negative attention we do not want to receive.
 
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lostsk8r

Active Member
Yeah no, I have a diff program for queuing completely unrelated to isxeq2. No worries, its something I used in WoW when I used glider/openbot.
 
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insanitywiz

Senior Member
Get a track record of not participating/getting voted out of BG's and you run the risk of being banned from them, and or suspended/banned, depending on what exactly you have been doing.
 
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insanitywiz

Senior Member
Most of the times someone is banned for afking/2boxing or whatever in a BG, they are just banned from BG's. Which means that character (or account, not positive) won't be able to participate in them, ever.
 
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