Guardian Setup

[maxpoint]

Hey guys,

Can anyone help me with setting up my guardian CA's ? How are people using Rescue, or Never surrender and the like to gain or regain aggro ?

Any help or Screen Shots of a setup that works pretty well would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you !

 

[Kevinshp]

You cant really use rescue like that as Kannkor still doesn't have a threat meter thingy set up IE it's a tons of work and he has tons of other stuff to get done. if you use the ogre osa you can see what mobs are are what toon and you can just click on that target and just cast rescue on that targt and your good. Most toons work in full auto mode but not really for tanks during a hard fight you need to target retarget on the fly and such.

 

[maxpoint]

I know how busy he is I've seen the the requests page. I was asking more in general, how it handles taunts. For example i know eq2B would use it's main target and attempt to maintain aggro on mobs attacking the party by using any taunt available.

There isn't currently a way (that I can see) that allows you to set an MT to always try to maintain aggro for the group.

I don't AFK bot anyway so I can manually handle being the MT it was just a matter of convenience is all

 

[Kevinshp]

I know how busy he is I've seen the the requests page. I was asking more in general, how it handles taunts. For example i know eq2B would use it's main target and attempt to maintain aggro on mobs attacking the party by using any taunt available.

There isn't currently a way (that I can see) that allows you to set an MT to always try to maintain aggro for the group.

I don't AFK bot anyway so I can manually handle being the MT it was just a matter of convenience is all

Just put his taunts in the CA tap at the top so he will cast them first I never lose aggro I dont use the long casting one or the other taunts will be up before any cas can be cast and i use things like block and tower of stone like a heal so if health is 60% cast block or what ever setting you want the longer recasting ones I put as death prevent. thats really about it.

 

[Pygar]

That isn't terribly effect to aggro dumping mobs.

There is no lost_aggro equivalent?

 

[insanitywiz]

Not yet, Kannkor hasn't gotten around to the agro management yet.

I've cobbled something together using mob targeting data from Ogre OSA which works ok for now, but some real agro management in Ogrebot would improve it a lot IMO.

I don't want to run concurrent scripts for all my DPS to use agro dumps if agro is greater then x

 

[fryfrog]

Is this still the case?

It would be great if the bot could have some way to cast specific spells on a creature in the area that is agro on someone else. If OSA can see that an NPC is on another PC, it seems like Ogre could provide a way to react to that?

 

[Kannkor]

Is this still the case?

It would be great if the bot could have some way to cast specific spells on a creature in the area that is agro on someone else. If OSA can see that an NPC is on another PC, it seems like Ogre could provide a way to react to that?

Still the case. Every time I go to work on an aggro management tab, something more important comes up and I code that instead.

I'd say, for 95% of people here, they half 'play' their tank. Meaning, they manually handle pulling, rescues, tank-saves, bladedances, etc etc. So, it usually falls short of anything that would be more useful for that 95%.

 

[fryfrog]

Still the case. Every time I go to work on an aggro management tab, something more important comes up and I code that instead.

I'd say, for 95% of people here, they half 'play' their tank. Meaning, they manually handle pulling, rescues, tank-saves, bladedances, etc etc. So, it usually falls short of anything that would be more useful for that 95%.

Not that it matters a whole lot what I think, but this seems perfectly reasonable to me. Last night when I was playing around with it for the first time, I was playing the tank and having the healer follow me around.

That said, probably the only reason I was playing the tank was that it is my character and the one I know how to play. The healer is my wife's and I'd honestly be totally lost w/o one of the bots to play her. I think she feels the same way when she bots me (the tank) and plays the healer. Some basic agro management would help her there.

It should be easy to work around though, I just put the ae taunt up near the top and then if she has more than a few targets that should pull them off her. If she only has one or two, she'll be fine anyway.

Thanks a lot, so far I'm liking Ogre a lot.

 

[Kannkor]

Not that it matters a whole lot what I think, but this seems perfectly reasonable to me. Last night when I was playing around with it for the first time, I was playing the tank and having the healer follow me around.

That said, probably the only reason I was playing the tank was that it is my character and the one I know how to play. The healer is my wife's and I'd honestly be totally lost w/o one of the bots to play her. I think she feels the same way when she bots me (the tank) and plays the healer. Some basic agro management would help her there.

It should be easy to work around though, I just put the ae taunt up near the top and then if she has more than a few targets that should pull them off her. If she only has one or two, she'll be fine anyway.

Thanks a lot, so far I'm liking Ogre a lot.

Yea, people play what they enjoy. It is MUCH more difficult to play a healer, and bot a tank for anything remotely challenging. That's why the tank stuff is usually much lower priority for automating.

I'd recommend teaching her how to play your tank. I think she'd get more enjoyment

 

[ClassicCoke]

Something that helps me, and I would expect a lot of others do, is to gear up and buff the heck out of your tank so they don't need to taunt. Get them to generate enough agro on their own naturally. Give the tank the good buffs, make them an agro machine.

If your just boxing a Tank/Healer, maybe add a dirge into the mix.


I will also agree, not letting the tank be completely box controlled is probably the easiest as well. You pull with a tank, it helps them establish early agro, they sorta of 'lead the offense' so to speak. As well, most boxes target through the tank, so controlling what the tank targets helps a lot.


This doesn't matter so much with older content for just leveling or power leveling, but once you get to the point where you are running current content that is a challenge and gearing up, you are going to want the finer grained control. I can't picture running a group of bots and being in control of a different bot that the tank.


Now one thing you can do, is setup MCP commands to have the tank use his rescue's and taunts. Have the tank do his normal CA runs and then press the MCP buttons when he needs to rescue or taunt (MCP should take preference/interrupt over the CA cycle). This is how I generally box and control my tank. The bot does the CAs, I move it, target the bot, and use MCP for the rescues, stoneskins, and other pieces. I am not sure how well you could control the tanks targeting choices from another toon.



Classic Coke

 

[Taubstumm]

It's very rare to hear about people botting with only two accts. (for me anyway). When I run quests with my tank, I'll usually have a healer follow.

I think she would be better off if she had a scout following her. When I use my Inquis to run quests, I usually have a BL or Assassin follow me to blow the mob up. She can focus on healing and targeting. VERY simular to mercenaries.